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GM[1]FF[4]VW[]AP[Many Faces of Go:11.0]
SZ[19]
HA[0]
ST[0]
PB[Tsurukame]
PW[Tsurukame]
DT[2002-08-28]
PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]
KM[0.5]
TM[1800]
RU[Japanese]
BR[7d]
WR[7d]
OT[10x120 byo-yomi]
C[RavenStar [11k\]: hello
Tsurukame [7d?\]: hello everybody!
kaisi [26k?\]: hello
Smeagol [13k?\]: hi
utwig [1d\]: hi
Tsurukame [7d?\]: I wanted to keep secret the names of the players..but \
forgot about the messages they excahnged during the game :)
Tsurukame [7d?\]: this is the only game I was asked for a comment \
so here I am!]
CA[UTF-8];B[pd]CR[pd]
;W[dp]
C[hase [12k\]: hi, have a nice game
Tsurukame [7d?\]: If questions, please feel free to ask, I will \
try to make this as enjoyable as possible]
CR[dp]
;B[pq]CR[pq]
;W[dd]
C[RavenStar [11k\]: same to you]
CR[dd]
;B[fq]CR[fq]
;W[jp]CR[jp]

(;B[fn]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: I think bot so many of you will play here as \
black so this shows he is not lacking selfconfidence
mitdahand [-\]: Greetings. Welcome ION, thanks for coming around \
to teacher Wingers.
Tsurukame [7d?\]: thank you for coming!
Tsurukame [7d?\]: I will reset the connection just a second please \
,it seems slow a little
mitdahand [-\]: sorry I came to party slightly later; are you \
going over a game or playing a new one for teaching?
reincarnat [5k\]: reviewing a game
utwig [1d\]: hes going over a 10k game
mitdahand [-\]: OK thx.
Tsurukame [7d?\]: I'm back :)
goddess [-\]: rehi
mitdahand [-\]: Whose game is being reviewed?
Tsurukame [7d?\]: this is the only game i received and asked for \
a comment
hase [12k\]: ravenstar and mine
mitdahand [-\]: Thanks gents.
Tsurukame [7d?\]: yes :)]
CR[fn]
;W[dn]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: the position here is very uncommon
Tsurukame [7d?\]: black's stones are at 2 spaces distance
Tsurukame [7d?\]: so they are vulnerable
Tsurukame [7d?\]: white is taking a position on the 4th like
Tsurukame [7d?\]: so the potential there is quite big
Acro [11k\]: is invading c3 immediately (instead of f6) a viable \
plan?
Tsurukame [7d?\]: if the same shape was one line to the left...
Tsurukame [7d?\]: yes, 3x3 instead of F6 is the normal move]
TR[fq][fn]
CR[dp][dn]

(;B[lp]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: of course, black's aim is to isolate and attack \
the K4 stone
Tsurukame [7d?\]: this is where it started]
CR[lp]

(;W[nq]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: white is trying to settle fast here but this \
move is not leading to a good result (this is the game)]
CR[nq]
;B[np]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: this is the best counter and now white should \
end in a bad position]
CR[np]

(;W[op]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: this is very unusual
hase [12k\]: is q9 good or q10 betetr?
Tsurukame [7d?\]: both are ok
Tsurukame [7d?\]: here black made his first big mistake
mitdahand [-\]: Tsu, wait, isnt Q9 too close to strong black position \
on bottom?]
CR[op]

(;B[pp]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: black didn't cut
Tsurukame [7d?\]: this move i didn't understand
Tsurukame [7d?\]: so white is having  big chance now
Tsurukame [7d?\]: wasn't P3 easier?
Tsurukame [7d?\]: instead of Q4?
hase [12k\]: was this the move in the game?
Tsurukame [7d?\]: yes
hase [12k\]: :-)
hase [12k\]: i don't know why i did this
Tsurukame [7d?\]: ok :)
Tsurukame [7d?\]: because the reason must be forgotten :)]
CR[pp]
;W[mp]CR[mp]
;B[no]CR[no]
;W[lq]CR[lq]

(;B[oo]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: then black played here
Tsurukame [7d?\]: this is the game]
CR[oo]
;W[lo]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: big difference
Tsurukame [7d?\]: it seems like an exchange now, in a shape white \
was 1 to 4]
CR[lo]

(;B[pj]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: but the game is stil open... the board is wide]
CR[pj]
;W[qf]CR[qf]
;B[pg]
C[Acro [11k\]: isn't r15 a more natural attacking play?
Tsurukame [7d?\]: this is a powerful move, same type as F6
Tsurukame [7d?\]: R15 is natural
Tsurukame [7d?\]: but black likes to try different things
Tsurukame [7d?\]: it's good for improving
hase [12k\]: :-) i wanted the right side, i think
Tsurukame [7d?\]: there are 2 other ways here]
CR[pg]

(;W[qc]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: white entered 3x3, just what black wanted :)
Tsurukame [7d?\]: but the Q13 stone helps a lot in a certain sequence \
you'll se immediately]
CR[qc]
;B[qd]CR[qd]
;W[pc]CR[pc]
;B[oc]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: with the R14 in place, this P17 is not working]
CR[oc]

(;W[ob]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: some other questions until here?
hase [12k\]: no]
CR[ob]
;B[nc]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: ok]
CR[nc]
;W[nb]CR[nb]
;B[mc]CR[mc]
;W[rd]CR[rd]
;B[re]CR[re]
;W[rc]CR[rc]
;B[qe]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: this was good for black]
CR[qe]
;W[pm]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: very violent move!
Tsurukame [7d?\]: white is having a reason for this
hase [12k\]: how to habdle this one as black
hase [12k\]: i mean handle
Tsurukame [7d?\]: no weak groups around and not enough territory \
:)]
CR[pm]

(;B[nm]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: the game went on like this]
CR[nm]
;W[qo]CR[qo]
;B[qp]CR[qp]
;W[qk]CR[qk]
;B[pk]CR[pk]
;W[pl]CR[pl]
;B[ol]CR[ol]
;W[qj]CR[qj]
;B[pi]CR[pi]

;W[rp]CR[rp]
;B[rq]CR[rq]
;W[ro]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: very big life]
CR[ro]
;B[cl]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: almost one way]
CR[cl]

(;W[cn]CR[cn]
;B[el]CR[el]
;W[eq]CR[eq]
;B[fp]CR[fp]
;W[er]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: ..because his moves are showing this
Tsurukame [7d?\]: I think white was too optimistic]
CR[er]
;B[mo]CR[mo]
;W[kp]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: now it's hard to choose, but one of A to E is \
the biggest here]
LB[df:C][cf:A][gd:E][fd:D][fc:B]
CR[kp]

(;B[lm]
C[spike [17k\]: look at that 
Tsurukame [7d?\]: this was not very interesting
Tsurukame [7d?\]: too close to the other's strong group
Tsurukame [7d?\]: so not affecting it
Tsurukame [7d?\]: so this was small...]
CR[lm]
;W[jc]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: very wide extension]
CR[jc]

(;B[df]CR[df]

(;W[dh]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: white starts a figt but just defending the corner \
seems enough
Tsurukame [7d?\]: but now it's white's turn to go wrong..]
CR[dh]
;B[eg]CR[eg]
;W[dj]CR[dj]
;B[kd]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: K15 is better i thnk]
CR[kd]
;W[jm]CR[jm]
;B[kk]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: both player sforgot about D10-d12 :)]
CR[kk]
;W[fd]CR[fd]
;B[hd]CR[hd]
;W[hc]CR[hc]

;B[id]CR[id]
;W[ic]CR[ic]
;B[gf]CR[gf]
;W[fj]
C[XiaoLin [2k\]: better is the one who makes less mistakes for he \
will win the game :)
Tsurukame [7d?\]: :)
XiaoLin [2k\]: that is the difference between Western and Eastern \
Go
Tsurukame [7d?\]: now th egame gets very compicated
Tsurukame [7d?\]: white is having big territories and black one \
big moyo
Tsurukame [7d?\]: the fight in the center will decide the result]
CR[fj]
;B[il]CR[il]
;W[jl]CR[jl]
;B[jk]CR[jk]
;W[ll]CR[ll]
;B[kl]CR[kl]
;W[km]CR[km]

;B[mm]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: small moves]
CR[mm]
;W[im]CR[im]
;B[hl]CR[hl]
;W[hj]CR[hj]
;B[ci]CR[ci]
;W[ch]CR[ch]
;B[cj]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: now the real fight starts]
CR[cj]
;W[dk]CR[dk]
;B[dl]CR[dl]
;W[ck]CR[ck]

;B[bk]CR[bk]
;W[di]CR[di]
;B[aj]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: bad shape...]
CR[aj]
;W[bi]CR[bi]
;B[bj]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: A10 ends up in a funny place]
CR[bj]
;W[bg]CR[bg]
;B[be]CR[be]
;W[cf]CR[cf]
;B[ce]CR[ce]
;W[de]CR[de]

;B[cc]CR[cc]
;W[dc]CR[dc]
;B[cb]CR[cb]
;W[cd]CR[cd]
;B[bd]CR[bd]

(;W[dg]CR[dg]
;B[ef]CR[ef]

(;W[bf]CR[bf]
;B[ai]
C[Acro [11k\]: was it better to cut on top?
Acro [11k\]: at e14
Tsurukame [7d?\]: if A11 first white was alive]
CR[ai]
;W[bh]CR[bh]
;B[bm]CR[bm]
;W[bn]CR[bn]
;B[gi]CR[gi]
;W[eh]CR[eh]
;B[fi]CR[fi]
;W[fh]CR[fh]

;B[gh]CR[gh]
;W[gj]CR[gj]
;B[gg]CR[gg]
;W[ek]CR[ek]
;B[fl]CR[fl]
;W[fk]CR[fk]
;B[ei]
C[RavenStar [11k\]: sorry
hase [12k\]: np :-)
RavenStar [11k\]: that was supposed to be at G8
RavenStar [11k\]: my apologies for asking 
Tsurukame [7d?\]: now white is dead]
CR[ei]

(;W[gm]CR[gm]
)
(;W[gl]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: but...]
CR[gl]

(;B[hm]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: black played here
Tsurukame [7d?\]: so this was the losing move
Tsurukame [7d?\]: strange how you missed this one..]
CR[hm]
;W[gm]CR[gm]

(;B[hn]CR[hn]
;W[fm]CR[fm]
;B[em]CR[em]
;W[ah]CR[ah]
;B[af]CR[af]
;W[al]CR[al]
;B[am]CR[am]
;W[en]CR[en]
;B[gn]CR[gn]

;W[gk]CR[gk]
;B[ij]CR[ij]
;W[hi]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: white wins the semeai and the game]
CR[hi]
;B[ii]CR[ii]
;W[hh]CR[hh]
;B[ig]CR[ig]
;W[an]CR[an]
;B[ih]CR[ih]
;W[cm]CR[cm]
;B[kn]
C[XiaoLin [2k\]: B probably had a bad mouse :(
Tsurukame [7d?\]: the game continued, but no chance for black \
...]
CR[kn]

;W[oq]CR[oq]
;B[po]CR[po]
;W[hq]CR[hq]
;B[mr]CR[mr]
;W[mq]CR[mq]
;B[or]CR[or]
;W[nr]CR[nr]
;B[qn]CR[qn]
;W[rn]CR[rn]
;B[pn]CR[pn]

;W[rm]CR[rm]
;B[qi]CR[qi]
;W[ri]CR[ri]
;B[rj]CR[rj]
;W[rk]CR[rk]
;B[rh]CR[rh]
;W[sj]CR[sj]
;B[ip]CR[ip]
;W[iq]CR[iq]
;B[hp]CR[hp]

;W[pr]CR[pr]
;B[qr]CR[qr]
;W[os]CR[os]
;B[db]CR[db]
;W[eb]CR[eb]
;B[fb]CR[fb]
;W[fc]CR[fc]
;B[gb]CR[gb]
;W[ea]CR[ea]
;B[gc]CR[gc]

;W[gd]CR[gd]
;B[hb]CR[hb]
;W[ib]CR[ib]
;B[kc]CR[kc]
;W[ha]CR[ha]
;B[jd]CR[jd]
;W[ga]CR[ga]
;B[mb]CR[mb]
;W[pa]CR[pa]
;B[ep]CR[ep]

;W[fr]CR[fr]
;B[do]CR[do]
;W[eo]CR[eo]
;B[fo]CR[fo]
;W[co]CR[co]
;B[gr]CR[gr]
;W[gq]CR[gq]
;B[gp]CR[gp]
;W[jo]CR[jo]
;B[jn]CR[jn]

;W[io]CR[io]
;B[in]CR[in]
;W[ee]CR[ee]
;B[cq]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: looks like you're not the peaceful one :)
XiaoLin [2k\]: would you like to win 1,000$???
hase [12k\]: :-)]
CR[cq]
;W[cp]CR[cp]
;B[dq]CR[dq]
;W[hr]CR[hr]
;B[bp]CR[bp]
;W[br]CR[br]
;B[bq]CR[bq]

;W[bl]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: no way to live here]
CR[bl]

(;B[dr]CR[dr]
;W[ar]CR[ar]
;B[ap]CR[ap]
;W[gs]CR[gs]
;B[ds]CR[ds]
;W[bs]
C[Infer [14k\]: ooo
Infer [14k\]: seki
Yrrah [?\]: no
Yrrah [?\]: 1 eye beats no eyes ^^]
CR[bs]
;B[da]
C[Infer [14k\]: ohhh]
CR[da]
;W[ae]CR[ae]
;B[ac]CR[ac]

;W[bb]CR[bb]
;B[ba]CR[ba]
;W[qm]CR[qm]
;B[ge]CR[ge]
;W[rg]CR[rg]
;B[qg]CR[qg]
;W[sh]CR[sh]
;B[rf]CR[rf]
;W[qh]CR[qh]
;B[ph]CR[ph]

;W[rh]CR[rh]
;B[jb]CR[jb]
;W[fa]CR[fa]
;B[kb]CR[kb]
;W[na]
C[Infer [14k\]: why b not take white/]
CR[na]
;B[ma]
C[Infer [14k\]: j17]
CR[ma]
;W[sd]
C[Yrrah [?\]: where?
Infer [14k\]: b could have j17 group]
CR[sd]
;B[ln]CR[ln]
;W[ko]
C[Yrrah [?\]: hmm , no ?]
CR[ko]
;B[om]CR[om]

;W[hg]CR[hg]
;B[hf]CR[hf]
;W[qs]
C[Infer [14k\]: oh thought it was ko threat]
CR[qs]
;B[rs]CR[rs]
;W[ps]
C[Infer [14k\]: sorry
Yrrah [?\]: np
Infer [14k\]: eatting pizza]
CR[ps]
;B[fg]CR[fg]
;W[ho]CR[ho]
;B[ad]CR[ad]
;W[fe]
C[Infer [14k\]: hell of a moyo]
CR[fe]
;B[sp]CR[sp]

;W[so]
C[Yrrah [?\]: white win]
CR[so]
;B[sq]
C[Infer [14k\]: y]
CR[sq]
;W[ag]
C[Infer [14k\]: but it is rare]
CR[ag]
;B[bc]CR[bc]
;W[ja]CR[ja]
;B[ka]CR[ka]
;W[ia]
C[Infer [14k\]: guess can still be invaded hehe;)
Yrrah [?\]: lol
hase [12k\]: is the left corner at b2 in seki, or are my groups \
already dead?
RavenStar [11k\]: bottom left or upper left?
hase [12k\]: bottom
Infer [14k\]: left dead
RavenStar [11k\]: bottom left is dead 
RavenStar [11k\]: I've got an eye in the corner - even if ya kill \
em, it's dead shape]
CR[ia]
;B[hk]CR[hk]
;W[ak]
C[Infer [14k\]: not so fast
Infer [14k\]: dunn think so
Infer [14k\]: if they are killed]
CR[ak]
;B[ae]
C[Infer [14k\]: oh right yes]
CR[ae]

;W[tt]
C[Yrrah [?\]: ^^
Infer [14k\]: sorry my bad
Tsurukame [7d?\]: :)
Tsurukame [7d?\]: if any questions, please
ChinChaw [15k\]: wouldn't it be nice to have a good mouse?
ChinChaw [15k\]: :)
XiaoLin [2k\]: sorry, I just thought, it happened to me once that \
I whitched from one window to another by clicking on the board
ChinChaw [15k\]: new hng toys = sai mice
XiaoLin [2k\]: thinking it iwll just become active, but it played \
a move :(
Tsurukame [7d?\]: :)
hase [12k\]: thanks tsu, for the review
Acro [11k\]: Many thanks!
Tsurukame [7d?\]: you're welcome
XiaoLin [2k\]: thanks for commments, your romanina friend is here \
too :)
Tsurukame [7d?\]: very good you try different ways than "classic"
XiaoLin [2k\]: romanian, this keyboard kills me
Tsurukame [7d?\]: :)
hase [12k\]: :-)
XiaoLin [2k\]: microsoft is making a new version of Go playing \
robot, it will be a hit :)
XiaoLin [2k\]: Microsoft Natural Keyborg 104/105 kyu
Tsurukame [7d?\]: hehe :)
spike [17k\]: why are the black stones in the top left dead?
Tsurukame [7d?\]: they are not
spike [17k\]: oh ok
hase [12k\]: what about left corner at a1
Tsurukame [7d?\]: black is dead
hase [12k\]: if idon't atatck white, we can leave peacefully :-)
Tsurukame [7d?\]: ;)]
;B[tt]
C[Infer [14k\]: geez
Infer [14k\]: nothing but free games for me tonihgt
RavenStar [11k\]: good game :) thank you for playing
hase [12k\]: thanks also
hase [13k\]: cu around then
RavenStar [11k\]: take care
RavenStar [11k\]: got a floor meeting - gotta run
hase [12k\]: :-) no it was my fault not the fault of my mouse
Tsurukame [7d?\]: about 20 points difference finally
reincarnat [5k\]: I blame my mouse all the time]
TB[ss][sr][rr][qq][on][nn][mn][km][jm][im][nl][ml][ll][jl][ok][nk][mk][lk][ik][oj][nj][mj][lj][kj][jj][oi][ni][mi][li][ki][ji][oh][nh][mh][lh][kh][jh][og][ng][mg][lg][kg][jg][qf][pf][of][nf][mf][lf][kf][jf][if][pe][oe][ne][me][le][ke][je][ie][he][od][nd][md][ld][lc][lb][bb][ab][la][ca][aa]
TW[ns][ms][ls][ks][js][is][hs][fs][es][ds][cs][as][or][mr][lr][kr][jr][ir][gr][dr][cr][kq][jq][dq][cq][bq][aq][lp][bp][ap][do][bo][ao][sn][sm][em][dm][bm][am][sl][rl][ql][fl][el][dl][cl][sk][bk][rj][cj][bj][aj][si][ci][ai][cg][ed][sc][gc][ec][sb][rb][qb][pb][hb][gb][fb][sa][ra][qa][oa]
)
(;B[ar]CR[ar]
;W[bs]CR[bs]
;B[cr]CR[cr]
;W[ap]CR[ap]
))
(;B[gn]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: stil possible to block]
CR[gn]
;W[ik]CR[ik]
;B[hn]CR[hn]
;W[jj]CR[jj]
;B[lk]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: maybe white dies]
CR[lk]

(;W[ih]CR[ih]
;B[hi]CR[hi]
;W[ii]CR[ii]
;B[ki]CR[ki]
;W[if]CR[if]
;B[gd]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: black is risking a little]
CR[gd]
)
(;W[lj]CR[lj]
;B[mk]
C[reincarnat [5k\]: thanks for the lesson, bye
Tsurukame [7d?\]: bye
hase [12k\]: ciao
Tsurukame [7d?\]: I was going to stop here anyway
hase [12k\]: thanks 
Tsurukame [7d?\]: bye all! Thanks for coming
XiaoLin [2k\]: K16 aji doesn't help much here :(
XiaoLin [2k\]: thank you very much
Tsurukame [7d?\]: :)
XiaoLin [2k\]: can we save variations????
Acro [11k\]: xiaolin: options: save game]
CR[mk]
)))
(;B[gm]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: if here, white is dying soon
hase [12k\]: i was somehow sure that white was dead, thats why \
i wanted to get w at k7 also
Tsurukame [7d?\]: oh..ok 
XiaoLin [2k\]: aji at J9 is so nice to W
Tsurukame [7d?\]: the purpose is to win not to capture the K7 \
group :)
hase [12k\]: :-) yes
XiaoLin [2k\]: W m10 should earlier (before B L11) maybe, I can't \
see now]
CR[gm]
;W[ik]CR[ik]
;B[ji]
C[XiaoLin [2k\]: not now, when B played H7, aji at J9 costed him \
a lost game
Tsurukame [7d?\]: yes]
CR[ji]
)))
(;W[ai]CR[ai]
;B[bm]CR[bm]
;W[bf]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: but the lower corner is open now]
CR[bf]
))
(;W[ef]CR[ef]
;B[dg]CR[dg]
;W[fg]CR[fg]
;B[ff]CR[ff]
;W[ee]CR[ee]
;B[fh]CR[fh]
;W[gg]CR[gg]
;B[gh]CR[gh]
;W[hg]CR[hg]

;B[eh]CR[eh]
;W[hh]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: black is dead indeed]
CR[hh]
;B[gi]CR[gi]
;W[hi]CR[hi]
;B[gj]CR[gj]
;W[gk]CR[gk]
;B[fk]CR[fk]
;W[ek]CR[ek]
;B[fl]CR[fl]
;W[hk]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: no way out
XiaoLin [2k\]: and W k16 now...
Tsurukame [7d?\]: the game is over here :)]
CR[hk]
))
(;W[fd]CR[fd]
))
(;B[fd]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: I think the fighting spirit requires a move \
like this]
CR[fd]
;W[df]CR[df]
;B[je]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: in the game black was too obedient]
CR[je]
))
(;B[gd]CR[gd]
;W[df]CR[df]
;B[gg]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: I would play this way
Acro [11k\]: and W should reduce somewhere around tengen?
Tsurukame [7d?\]: hard to say where, but he must reduce
XiaoLin [2k\]: tengen is too far from M5 group, and it is hard \
to live there]
CR[gg]

(;W[ik]CR[ik]
;B[im]CR[im]

(;W[gl]CR[gl]
)
(;W[gk]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: very dificult
Tsurukame [7d?\]: black is having some weaknesses too
XiaoLin [2k\]: Maybe the aji at N18 can help, because around L17 \
can be good play for W later, when striving for life in the center
Tsurukame [7d?\]: around A and B white can combine]
LB[go:B][fm:A]
CR[gk]
))
(;W[go]CR[go]
;B[fo]CR[fo]
;W[gl]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: this is bad style maybe, but the threat is somewhere \
here]
CR[gl]
;B[fl]CR[fl]

(;W[gj]CR[gj]

(;B[eg]CR[eg]
)
(;B[hm]CR[hm]
;W[fh]CR[fh]
))
(;W[ik]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: many possib;le ways, can spend some time here \
choosing]
CR[ik]
))))
(;W[dl]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: white must play like this, i wonder if he felt \
winning if just defending the corner]
CR[dl]
)
(;W[em]CR[em]
))
(;B[ol]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: I expected this
Tsurukame [7d?\]: so this was my idea here]
CR[ol]
;W[qo]CR[qo]
;B[rp]CR[rp]
;W[qp]CR[qp]
;B[qq]CR[qq]
;W[ro]CR[ro]
;B[rq]CR[rq]
;W[qk]CR[qk]
;B[qj]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: even if white makes life, he wil end gote and \
your thickness will be frightening]
CR[qj]

;W[rj]CR[rj]
;B[ri]CR[ri]

(;W[rk]
C[hase [12k\]: ok
Tsurukame [7d?\]: not easy to live though, so you can try this \
way]
CR[rk]
;B[pl]CR[pl]
;W[ql]CR[ql]
;B[rm]CR[rm]
)
(;W[rl]
C[XiaoLin [2k\]: ko??? first W P7, than Q8
XiaoLin [2k\]: I thought :(]
CR[rl]
;B[sj]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: at least a ko here]
CR[sj]
;W[sk]CR[sk]
)
(;W[om]CR[om]
;B[nm]CR[nm]
;W[pl]CR[pl]
;B[rk]CR[rk]
;W[rl]CR[rl]
;B[sj]CR[sj]

(;W[nl]CR[nl]
;B[ok]CR[ok]
;W[nn]CR[nn]
;B[mm]CR[mm]
;W[on]CR[on]
;B[mn]
C[XiaoLin [2k\]: how about Q9 instead of O8]
CR[mn]
)
(;W[pk]CR[pk]
;B[mo]CR[mo]
;W[kp]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: answer this one?
XiaoLin [2k\]: yes
XiaoLin [2k\]: but even if W escapes, where to make another eye
bconwil [10k\]: p9]
CR[kp]

(;B[rn]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: very difficult]
CR[rn]
)
(;B[ok]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: you don't really need to kill]
CR[ok]
;W[qm]
C[Acro [11k\]: r7 lives in gote, but good for B?]
CR[qm]
;B[gd]
C[XiaoLin [2k\]: yes, because W p9 doesn't promise life
Tsurukame [7d?\]: I like blakc here
Tsurukame [7d?\]: huge center
XiaoLin [2k\]: not huge, HUGE :)
Tsurukame [7d?\]: :)]
CR[gd]
)))))
(;W[rc]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: because of this move
Tsurukame [7d?\]: so, altough Q13 is influencing the outcoming \
fight, S17 was a powerful move]
CR[rc]
;B[rd]CR[rd]
;W[od]CR[od]
;B[nc]CR[nc]
;W[pe]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: white seems to capture some stones]
CR[pe]
;B[qe]CR[qe]
;W[pf]CR[pf]
;B[rf]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: yes?
Danthekyu [5k\]: t16 now?]
CR[rf]
;W[sd]CR[sd]

;B[re]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: is it bad?
Danthekyu [5k\]: hum...
Danthekyu [5k\]: s13]
CR[re]

(;W[rg]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: but it's not possible immediately
domi [2k?\]: ;-)]
CR[rg]
;B[oe]
C[Danthekyu [5k\]: does not change, sorry
Tsurukame [7d?\]: ok
Acro [11k\]: is the squeeze OK for White?
Tsurukame [7d?\]: yes, i think so]
CR[oe]

(;W[sf]CR[sf]
;B[nd]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: this is something he can do, otherwise...]
CR[nd]
;W[se]CR[se]
;B[od]CR[od]
;W[qg]CR[qg]
;B[og]
C[domi [2k?\]: but W is very low ;-(
Tsurukame [7d?\]: looks very ugly but efective
Acro [11k\]: is there aji at r6 or similar now, though?
Acro [11k\]: in combination with sliding under the q10 stone
Tsurukame [7d?\]: first, white must make life here]
CR[og]
;W[rj]CR[rj]
;B[rk]CR[rk]
;W[qk]CR[qk]

;B[ri]CR[ri]
;W[rl]CR[rl]
;B[qi]CR[qi]
;W[ob]CR[ob]
;B[nb]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: very complicated
Tsurukame [7d?\]: a different way now is P19
Tsurukame [7d?\]: this shape is worth to be studied]
TR[rc][qc][pc][ob]
CR[nb]

(;W[pa]CR[pa]
;B[sc]CR[sc]

(;W[sg]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: this is tesuji]
CR[sg]
;B[si]CR[si]
;W[ra]
C[Acro [11k\]: what's wrong with the immediate capture?]
CR[ra]
;B[sb]CR[sb]
;W[qb]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: alive now]
CR[qb]
;B[qm]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: but problems here]
CR[qm]
)
(;W[sb]CR[sb]
;B[ra]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: dead shape]
CR[ra]

(;W[qa]CR[qa]
;B[na]CR[na]
;W[rb]CR[rb]
;B[pb]
C[Acro [11k\]: same if W plays r18?
Acro [11k\]: instead of r19]
CR[pb]
)
(;W[qb]CR[qb]
;B[na]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: yes
Acro [11k\]: ah yes]
CR[na]
)))
(;W[oa]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: locally it's a ko]
CR[oa]
;B[qa]CR[qa]
;W[ra]CR[ra]
;B[rb]CR[rb]
;W[qb]CR[qb]
;B[sa]CR[sa]
;W[sc]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: but because white is having his tail out.. this \
is alive]
CR[sc]
;B[na]CR[na]
;W[sb]CR[sb]

;B[pb]CR[pb]
;W[ra]CR[ra]
;B[pa]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: can take 2 stones only]
CR[pa]
))
(;W[nd]CR[nd]
;B[qg]CR[qg]
;W[of]CR[of]
;B[rh]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: black is winning here
Danthekyu [5k\]: order of moves not correct i think
Danthekyu [5k\]: white t 16 before]
CR[rh]
))
(;W[qg]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: white can try this one too, if before was bad]
CR[qg]
;B[oe]CR[oe]
;W[nd]CR[nd]
;B[of]CR[of]
;W[mc]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: should be good for white this one]
CR[mc]
;B[qh]CR[qh]
;W[md]CR[md]
)))
(;W[pf]CR[pf]
;B[of]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: A and B
Tsurukame [7d?\]: this is very interesting too
Tsurukame [7d?\]: if B...]
LB[og:A][oe:B]
CR[of]

(;W[og]CR[og]

(;B[ph]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: so black will defend]
CR[ph]
;W[oe]CR[oe]
;B[nf]CR[nf]
;W[pe]CR[pe]
;B[qd]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: the corner is stil black's...]
CR[qd]
;W[od]CR[od]
;B[ob]CR[ob]
;W[oc]CR[oc]
;B[pb]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: white A is not sente
Tsurukame [7d?\]: so white wil have to play B]
LB[ld:B][nb:A]
CR[pb]

(;W[nb]CR[nb]
;B[mc]CR[mc]
;W[nc]CR[nc]
;B[md]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: black can fight]
CR[md]
)
(;W[ld]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: this looks fine for black]
CR[ld]

(;B[jc]CR[jc]
;W[ke]CR[ke]
;B[nh]CR[nh]
;W[id]CR[id]
;B[mc]CR[mc]
;W[md]CR[md]
;B[lc]CR[lc]
;W[ic]CR[ic]
)
(;B[jd]CR[jd]
;W[ke]CR[ke]
;B[fc]CR[fc]
)))
(;B[oe]CR[oe]
;W[ph]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: looks good for white here]
CR[ph]
))
(;W[oe]CR[oe]
;B[pe]CR[pe]
;W[og]CR[og]
;B[nf]CR[nf]
;W[ph]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: white is stil capturing a stone, but not as \
good as before
Tsurukame [7d?\]: this is playable, but I won't advice black to \
choose this way :)]
CR[ph]
;B[nd]CR[nd]
))
(;W[pc]CR[pc]
))
(;
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: and this is where it got]
))
(;B[mo]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: now, why not here first?
Tsurukame [7d?\]: this atari is helping only black]
CR[mo]
;W[mq]CR[mq]
;B[oq]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: then you can cut
hase [12k\]: ic
Tsurukame [7d?\]: this is stil ok for black but..
Tsurukame [7d?\]: the Q4 stone..]
CR[oq]
;
AB[po]
AE[pp]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: was better here, at Q5
hase [12k\]: yes looks much better
Tsurukame [7d?\]: and lost the chance to play M5 in good timing]
))
(;B[oq]
C[mitdahand [-\]: Tsu, seems like w is fighting in a zone where \
he has less stones, so will be at a disadvantage in the fite
Tsurukame [7d?\]: yes, he was trying to settle, but can't avoid \
the fight, indeed
Tsurukame [7d?\]: I think he was not looking for a fight, i would \
like to ask him :)]
CR[oq]
;W[mp]CR[mp]
;B[no]CR[no]
;W[lq]CR[lq]
;B[mo]CR[mo]
;W[mq]
C[mitdahand [-\]: White stone player is here now?]
CR[mq]
;B[lo]CR[lo]
;W[kp]CR[kp]
;B[po]
C[hase [12k\]: no, ravenstar isn't here
Tsurukame [7d?\]: this is definitely good for black
Tsurukame [7d?\]: white can try a better move...]
CR[po]
))
(;W[mp]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: ...here
hase [12k\]: ok]
CR[mp]
;B[mo]CR[mo]
;W[mq]CR[mq]
;B[op]CR[op]
;W[lq]CR[lq]
;B[lo]CR[lo]
;W[iq]CR[iq]

(;B[pk]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: black is happy with this result too
Tsurukame [7d?\]: I feel better balanced here
mitdahand [-\]: interesting ... may we discuss this just a bit \
more?
Tsurukame [7d?\]: very delicate matter
Tsurukame [7d?\]: sure
mitdahand [-\]: it seems to me that Q9 is 6 lines from Q16, which
mitdahand [-\]: is not as good as 5 lines
Tsurukame [7d?\]: a 5 points extension is very good on 19x19
mitdahand [-\]: ya, agree. so I am concerned with relationship \
to Q16 as well
Tsurukame [7d?\]: oh...you count the other way..i see
mitdahand [-\]: if it is true that Q9 COMPLETES the territory, \
fine. but it does not?
Tsurukame [7d?\]: not territory, of course, just better balance \
in my oppinion]
LB[qp:1][qo:2][qn:3][qm:4][ql:5]
CR[pk]
)
(;B[pj]
C[mitdahand [-\]: all right thanks
Tsurukame [7d?\]: also here
Tsurukame [7d?\]: in the game...]
CR[pj]

(;W[nn]CR[nn]
;B[no]CR[no]
;W[pn]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: maybe but then you should be ready for this
Tsurukame [7d?\]: white will invade for sure
mitdahand [-\]: ic, but b happy to get a benefits from attacking \
these invader no problem.
Tsurukame [7d?\]: A and B looks like miai to me
mitdahand [-\]: so, u say Q9 and black get the cash on the right?
Tsurukame [7d?\]: if you like it, then is fine]
LB[qp:B][pl:A]
CR[pn]
)
(;
AB[nj]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: this looks stil not territory]
))
(;
AB[nk][pk]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: this can be...
Tsurukame [7d?\]: I don't really know :)
Acro [11k\]: so is a reducing move around o9 indicated soon for \
W after p9?
XiaoLin [2k\]: Q9 now gives position like B played high chinese \
opening, so would this be OK if it was really played?]
)
(;
AB[pk]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: a reducing move at A looks not so effective
Tsurukame [7d?\]: Q9 resembles the chinese indeed, 
Tsurukame [7d?\]: one thing is for sure:black is ahead here]
LB[nk:A]
)))
(;W[jn]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: normally you feel like running away
Tsurukame [7d?\]: jumping was natural, white just didn't liked \
it I presume]
CR[jn]
;B[ln]CR[ln]
;W[jl]CR[jl]
;B[fl]CR[fl]
;W[dl]CR[dl]
;B[pk]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: but after this move the game is not that easy
Tsurukame [7d?\]: the weakness black's having at A and B will \
bother him the quite for a while
Tsurukame [7d?\]: but the game is stil open
Tsurukame [7d?\]: a simpler way was 3x3 indeed
mitdahand [-\]: Tsu, can u show weakness with a variation tht \
exploits it?]
LB[fp:A][fo:B]
CR[pk]

(;W[fp]CR[fp]
;B[gp]CR[gp]
;W[fo]CR[fo]
;B[go]CR[go]
;W[gn]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: just cutting at the proper moment]
CR[gn]
)
(;W[gm]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: can nozoki first to be more clear]
CR[gm]
;B[fm]CR[fm]
;W[fp]CR[fp]

(;B[gp]CR[gp]
;W[fo]CR[fo]
;B[go]CR[go]
;W[gn]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: black is split into 2 groups, both weak
mitdahand [-\]: okay, but now is too early? since black can dive \
into 3-3, i wonder about the timing of all this?
Tsurukame [7d?\]: this seems early]
CR[gn]
)
(;B[cq]CR[cq]
;W[dq]CR[dq]
;B[dr]CR[dr]
;W[er]CR[er]
;B[cr]CR[cr]
;W[eq]CR[eq]
;B[bo]
C[domi [2k?\]: is the resulut good for B ????
Tsurukame [7d?\]: black can easily take the corner in exchange \
for F3
Tsurukame [7d?\]: dooes it look good for black?
domi [2k?\]: for me, no but :-))
Tsurukame [7d?\]: good for white then?
domi [2k?\]: yes 
Tsurukame [7d?\]: to me it's not clear
Tsurukame [7d?\]: I would wait before playing this
mitdahand [-\]: still, I guess no reason for F6 in first place \
to leave the bad taste.
Tsurukame [7d?\]: right]
CR[bo]
))))
(;
AB[en][eq]
AE[dn][fn][dp][fq]
AW[cn][cp]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: so, if the same shape was one line to the left \
it looks ok, as the territory white can get is not that big
Tsurukame [7d?\]: I hope you seize the difference]
))
(;B[cq]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: the simple way is this one
Tsurukame [7d?\]: this 3x3]
CR[cq]
;W[dq]CR[dq]
;B[cp]CR[cp]
;W[do]CR[do]
;B[dr]CR[dr]
;W[er]CR[er]
;B[cr]CR[cr]
;W[eq]CR[eq]
;B[cn]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: now this 4x3 stone is in good position to reduce \
white's influence]
TR[pq]
CR[cn]

(;
AB[qp]
AE[pq]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: if here, white can attack easier]
;W[op]CR[op]
)
(;W[np]CR[np]
;B[po]
C[Tsurukame [7d?\]: not so easy in the game
Tsurukame [7d?\]: so I would play 3x3 immediately]
CR[po]
)))