(; GM[1]FF[4]VW[]AP[Many Faces of Go:11.0] SZ[19] HA[2] ST[2] PB[icedrake] PW[ge] DT[2002-08-25] PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/] KM[0.5] TM[2700] RU[Japanese] RE[B+27.50] BR[11k] WR[8k] OT[25/900 Canadian] AB[pd][dp] C[Comments by mitdahand Aug. 25, 2002 Comments enhanced by ION Aug. 26, 2002 as noted. This game was the crucial one for the Wings KGS August 2002 League. The winner would secure first place in the League, but the loser would be knocked out of the top 3 slots, such was the closeness of the accumulated earned points of the top contenders. For more information about the enjoyable Wings Leagues, see the Wings Across Calm Water Go Club's web site at www.wingsgoclub.org Caveat: only a high ranking pro can know the truth about Go. Accept my amateur comments merely as a way to stimulate your own thinking.] CA[UTF-8];W[dd]CR[dd] WL[2686.525];B[pq]CR[pq] BL[2696.667];W[po] C[Q5: since White cannot easily develop a moyo around here, playing at R5, the 3rd line, is probably better than the 4th line. ION: Can't agree with you; as white I would say that this move is \ trying to reduce the central influence black is having. Or I \ could blame black for playing komoku when having such good prospects \ with 2 hoshi, but this is something nobody can be sure about. \ At their level (I saw the game) they need to be encouraged and \ very patiently guided to improve their understanding. I hope \ the comments I'll make will make myself understood.] CR[po] WL[2679.573] (;B[qp] C[R4: slow. For territory, Black should play at R5. See a joseki variation. Also, Black at B instead of R4, developing the lower in conjuction with D4, or squeezing Black at A instead of R4, squeezing White (my preference) are better. In a 2H game, Black must be certain to use his H stones fully.] LB[np:B][pl:A] CR[qp] BL[2693.598] (;W[nq] C[O3: hard to understand why White suddenly changes direction. ION: R4 is slow so white can play somewhere else very easily but white \ is a very impatient player. As black is starting with 2 stones \ of handicap, white must be a little more patient in opening, \ until a chance to take the lead is showing up. On the other hand, \ in this corner white is trying to attack or surround black by \ all means. The proverb:"Don't surround a living group" is certainly \ true, as a living group must be feared and you should play far \ from it, your moves at close range not influencing it. If it's \ about atacking this corner, then you need to strenghten yourself \ first and R5 as this move giving you some strength. Only if after \ white R5 black is not defending, only then white can hope to \ attack this structure. The purpose of this game is to spread your stones better (take \ the important points) and faster (be one step ahead of your opponent, \ or sente) than your opponent. White must think about this. The bottom is no more important than the right. It is normal for White to play R5 (usually you must answer when your opponent attaches to your stone) and take up a position along the right.] CR[nq] WL[2650.855];B[op] C[P4: splitting is natural.] CR[op] BL[2691.692];W[oq] C[P3: aji-keshi. When Black connects at Q4, White has gained nothing with the push in. Meanwhile this erases other options White may want later. ION: Before this move, the A stone is having 4 liberties and the B \ stone also 4. After this move, if black is just defending at \ Q4, the a group will have 4 liberties and B stone only 3. So \ white is losing with this move, not gaining. again "Make yourself \ strong before attacking" was forgotten by both players (especially \ by black, who had to connect at Q4 and feel white's suffering \ being so close to a close group)] LB[nq:A][po:B] CR[oq] WL[2636.666];B[qo] C[R5: better connect at Q4. Even though Q4 makes an empty triangle, Black's base is super solid and the white Q5 is pretty useless. R5 may leave bad aji.] CR[qo] BL[2682.234];W[qn] C[R6: I would expect White to complete his position on the bottom with L3, since White switched direction there. It seems White is just trying to make mischief for Black. (Not that there is anything wrong with mischief making in an H game, but usually wait for a better opportunity in the middle game for that.)] CR[qn] WL[2634.461];B[pn] C[Q6: it seems like Black may be cutting off a small stone. If Black solidifies with Q4, then he can attack White strongly on either the right or the bottom next.] CR[pn] BL[2674.648];W[oo]CR[oo] WL[2625.461];B[pm]CR[pm] BL[2655.545];W[rn] C[S6: White is trying to make something happen. But since Black started here (so is one move ahead), White is overplaying the position. Of course, in H go, that may be inevitable at some point. Black just needs to connect at Q4. Then it is hard to see a good White continuation.] CR[rn] WL[2614.55] ;B[np]CR[np] BL[2633.685];W[mp]CR[mp] WL[2591.959];B[no]CR[no] BL[2625.709];W[on]CR[on] WL[2588.57];B[om] C[P7: still, Q4 instead would make it easy for Black. (The basics of Go are liberties, connection and base)] CR[om] BL[2560.608];W[nn]CR[nn] WL[2583.157] (;B[mo]CR[mo] BL[2557.926];W[nm]CR[nm] WL[2567.674];B[qk] C[P9: Q4 connection is necessary instead.] CR[qk] BL[2525.176];W[pp] C[Q4: now it is Black who is split into many groups.] CR[pp] WL[2512.6];B[qq]CR[qq] BL[2517.352];W[lo] C[M5: White did better than expected in this local battle. Caught 4 stones, lost 2 stones. Black should now consider A (best, see variation) to use the ladder aji or B to erase the white thickness.] LB[gq:B][df:A] CR[lo] WL[2504.881] (;B[pg] C[Q13: this is not the biggest area, so it's slow.] CR[pg] BL[2480.217];W[mn]CR[mn] WL[2491.726];B[nl] C[O8: too small.] CR[nl] BL[2473.154] (;W[cn] C[C6: should force Black first with N8 (see variation). K16 may be bigger than C6. Play K16, a 4th line move (not K17), to somehow try to use the white thickness on a big scale, instead of C6. ION: K16 is limiting black's expansion as well, there is the move \ black will love to play if his move, but it's now white's style. \ He is too impatient, he wants to threat an immediate blow, not \ invest in long term business.] CR[cn] WL[2482.945];B[gq] C[G3: as an answer to C6, maybe F3 is better since White is so strong on the bottom,Black should be more defensive. (Before I mentioned G3, but C6 wasn't there.)] CR[gq] BL[2460.25];W[fo] C[F5: White tries to be clever somehow. But to develop the left, D10 is normal.] CR[fo] WL[2469.823];B[fp]CR[fp] BL[2447.384];W[eo] C[Now Black can decide to take a large comfortable corner with B, or can tenuki (because closing the corner at B and extending to K3 are miai for a base) and play A to spoil White's designs on the left.] LB[cp:B][ci:A] CR[eo] WL[2464.139];B[go] C[G5: not an urgent direction.] CR[go] BL[2445.055];W[hp]CR[hp] WL[2460.198];B[do] C[D5: it is often good timing to answer a forcing move with a counter-forcing \ move; but in this case it seems Black just makes White stronger. \ So just answering at G4 may be proper.] CR[do] BL[2429.236];W[dn]CR[dn] WL[2452.279] ;B[ep]CR[ep] BL[2426.45];W[fm]CR[fm] WL[2437.197];B[gp]CR[gp] BL[2366.369];W[di] C[D11: White succeeded in his plan that started with F5.] CR[di] WL[2427.275];B[gd] C[G16: This aims to reduce White and is possible. It is much simpler for Black to play K16, the largest point on the board at this moment, and build his own moyo straight forwardly.] CR[gd] BL[2355.841];W[ic] C[J17: probably necessary. This should create a running battle where each side will seek to destroy the others moyo. If White just repsponds at D14, he may be slightly overconcentrated and then Black will take the very nice K16 point.] CR[ic] WL[2366.104];B[kc]CR[kc] BL[2345.113];W[ie]CR[ie] WL[2364.165];B[ke] C[L15: wow. I suppose Black decided G16 will just have to take care of itself! I expected Black to run out at G14 and follow the natural course of mutual reduction. If Black is going to play this building way with L15, then, before, he should just do K16 instead of G16.] CR[ke] BL[2337.853];W[ig]CR[ig] WL[2362.005] ;B[kh] C[L12: Black should either invade the White 3-3 or play Q17. C17 may end in sente so that is best, because if Black gets sente he can then go back and protect at R17, and be ahead in that event.] CR[kh] BL[2327.15];W[fc] C[F17: This may be a game losing move because White may have played \ a gote move in his own territory. The upper right corner is urgent. White must invade the 3-3 point. If he gets sente there, he can go back and play C16. Then he, and not Black, may have a chance to pull ahead.] CR[fc] WL[2338.284];B[qc] C[R17: Large indeed. Excellent timing.] CR[qc] BL[2293.376];W[jj] C[K10: C16 or B15 is necessary to offsest R17.] CR[jj] WL[2297.487];B[lj] C[M10: slow. Black must invade on the left while it's still possible. G17 creates aji. C16 and B15 are the invasion points to consider (between the two biggest rooms).] CR[lj] BL[2282.329];W[cq] C[C3: White tries to go all out to pressure the Black stones, but it may be another overplay. If he is sure he will end in sente, so he can then complete his left with C15, it's fine. Otherwise, he must complete his moyo with C15 to counter black R17.] CR[cq] WL[2275.71] (;B[co] C[C5: B4 may make some troubles for White? See variations.] CR[co] BL[2269.436];W[bp]CR[bp] WL[2264.019] (;B[dr] C[D2: it is understandable that Black wants to ensure his base, but this is painful.] CR[dr] BL[2252.722];W[dq]CR[dq] WL[2249.439];B[eq]CR[eq] BL[2245.829];W[cr]CR[cr] WL[2240.78];B[fr]CR[fr] BL[2242.797];W[ds]CR[ds] WL[2236.664];B[be] C[B15: Superb! Black suddenly gets confident he can survive in the lower left, so invades the upper left at the last possible moment. Black got the good timing at last. With the B15 reduction move, Black's prospects become good.] CR[be] BL[2211.556];W[bc]CR[bc] WL[2214.351];B[ch] C[C12: maybe B11 or C11? ION: This looks better. The way black played the folowing sequence \ was denying all his play up to this moment.] CR[ch] BL[2208.929] ;W[ci]CR[ci] WL[2196.375];B[bi]CR[bi] BL[2197.949];W[bj]CR[bj] WL[2188.887] (;B[df]CR[df] BL[2186.351] (;W[bh]CR[bh] WL[2177.822];B[bg]CR[bg] BL[2184.292];W[ai]CR[ai] WL[2175.113];B[dh]CR[dh] BL[2179.264];W[eh]CR[eh] WL[2168.306];B[eg]CR[eg] BL[2174.321];W[ag]CR[ag] WL[2156.584];B[bf]CR[bf] BL[2150.211] (;W[fg]CR[fg] WL[2153.473];B[ff]CR[ff] BL[2148.396] (;W[ee] C[E15: wow. I guess White believes he lost unless he kills the \ black group so he goes all out.] CR[ee] WL[2151.875];B[fh]CR[fh] BL[2146.147];W[ei]CR[ei] WL[2139.923];B[gg]CR[gg] BL[2144.431];W[ef] C[E14: White goes all out but it looks really difficult. In the go game killing is a hard thing. When black finally settles his group the game will be over. Both players demonstrated their styles and tried their best. Congratulations on a nice game. (Commentary ends here.)] CR[ef] WL[2138.399] (;B[gi]CR[gi] BL[2127.131];W[hh]CR[hh] WL[2132.904];B[hi]CR[hi] BL[2076.277];W[ii]CR[ii] WL[2122.923];B[ij]CR[ij] BL[2074.101];W[ji]CR[ji] WL[2120.273];B[ik]CR[ik] BL[2062.794];W[gk]CR[gk] WL[2117.602];B[hj]CR[hj] BL[2034.115] ;W[gh]CR[gh] WL[2114.367];B[fi]CR[fi] BL[2025.46];W[hf]CR[hf] WL[2103.919];B[hm]CR[hm] BL[1998.807];W[gm]CR[gm] WL[2082.372];B[hn]CR[hn] BL[1986.607];W[ho]CR[ho] WL[2076.122];B[hq]CR[hq] BL[1949.989];W[jp]CR[jp] WL[2073.056];B[jo]CR[jo] BL[1928.257] ;W[ip]CR[ip] WL[2011.189];B[kr]CR[kr] BL[1900.96];W[jn]CR[jn] WL[1993.861];B[ko]CR[ko] BL[1869.659];W[kn]CR[kn] WL[1983.411];B[kp]CR[kp] BL[1864.554];W[in]CR[in] WL[1918.794];B[jq]CR[jq] BL[1844.714];W[io]CR[io] WL[1912.029];B[lm]CR[lm] BL[1838.766] ;W[ll]CR[ll] WL[1895.531];B[ml]CR[ml] BL[1826.821];W[ln]CR[ln] WL[1860.334];B[hl]CR[hl] BL[1800.73];W[fk]CR[fk] WL[1833.646];B[kl]CR[kl] BL[1775.12];W[jl]CR[jl] WL[1819.617];B[jk]CR[jk] BL[1768.723];W[kk]CR[kk] WL[1818.069];B[lk]CR[lk] BL[1766.534] ;W[kj]CR[kj] WL[1807.684];B[jm]CR[jm] BL[1701.525];W[qi]CR[qi] WL[1776.318];B[pi]CR[pi] BL[1695.532];W[pj]CR[pj] WL[1768.74];B[qj]CR[qj] BL[1693.195];W[ph]CR[ph] WL[1767.063];B[oi]CR[oi] BL[1691.609];W[qh]CR[qh] WL[1762.107];B[qg]CR[qg] BL[1676.36] ;W[oh]CR[oh] WL[1760.2];B[og]CR[og] BL[1660.489];W[nh]CR[nh] WL[1758.293];B[ni]CR[ni] BL[1650.757];W[kf]CR[kf] WL[1754.746];B[lf]CR[lf] BL[1647.282];W[lg]CR[lg] WL[1737.09];B[kg]CR[kg] BL[1645.317];W[jf]CR[jf] WL[1734.901];B[mg]CR[mg] BL[1569.634] ;W[lh]CR[lh] WL[1731.176];B[mh]CR[mh] BL[1562.803];W[le]CR[le] WL[1720.101];B[mf]CR[mf] BL[1550.668];W[kd]CR[kd] WL[1707.68];B[ld]CR[ld] BL[1548.92];W[je]CR[je] WL[1701.524];B[me]CR[me] BL[1545.963];W[lc]CR[lc] WL[1690.215];B[md]CR[md] BL[1538.075] ;W[lb]CR[lb] WL[1675.567];B[nb]CR[nb] BL[1510.699];W[pk]CR[pk] WL[1648.237];B[pl]CR[pl] BL[1413.471];W[bo]CR[bo] WL[1625.194];B[cd]CR[cd] BL[1350.963];W[cc]CR[cc] WL[1620.744];B[ed]CR[ed] BL[1338.836];W[fd]CR[fd] WL[1603.629];B[fe]CR[fe] BL[1314.766] ;W[ec]CR[ec] WL[1558.688];B[de]CR[de] BL[1312.081];W[ge]CR[ge] WL[1556.193];B[ed]CR[ed] BL[1293.823];W[ee]CR[ee] WL[1553.224];B[mc]CR[mc] BL[1253.833];W[kb]CR[kb] WL[1540.281];B[hg]CR[hg] BL[1154.866];W[ih]CR[ih] WL[1518.348];B[gf]CR[gf] BL[1152.586] ;W[he]CR[he] WL[1514.259];B[mr]CR[mr] BL[1135.976];W[lq]CR[lq] WL[1510.255];B[kq]CR[kq] BL[1131.309];W[lr]CR[lr] WL[1474.837];B[ls]CR[ls] BL[1104.333];W[nr]CR[nr] WL[1463.849];B[pr]CR[pr] BL[1079.958];W[rr]CR[rr] WL[1453.982];B[rq]CR[rq] BL[1055.573] ;W[sq]CR[sq] WL[1437.295];B[sp]CR[sp] BL[1004.488];W[sr]CR[sr] WL[1435.073];B[ro]CR[ro] BL[997.032];W[sn]CR[sn] WL[1419.398];B[so]CR[so] BL[963.578];W[gn]CR[gn] WL[1092.514];B[er]CR[er] BL[920.084];W[iq]CR[iq] WL[1075.286];B[ir]CR[ir] BL[918.65] ;W[bd]CR[bd] WL[1057.157];B[ce]CR[ce] BL[911.215];W[rj]CR[rj] WL[1044.088];B[rk]CR[rk] BL[902.374];W[rg]CR[rg] WL[1040.321];B[rf]CR[rf] BL[895.052];W[ng]CR[ng] WL[1038.693];B[of]CR[of] BL[884.306];W[mb]CR[mb] WL[1032.155];B[nc]CR[nc] BL[874.806] ;W[jg]CR[jg] WL[1006.243];B[li]CR[li] BL[865.413];W[os]CR[os] WL[956.95];B[qs]CR[qs] BL[825.708];W[ps]CR[ps] WL[948.116];B[rs]CR[rs] BL[785.501];W[ms]CR[ms] WL[934.74];B[ns]CR[ns] BL[767.283];W[ql]CR[ql] WL[929.042];B[rl]CR[rl] BL[760.677] ;W[ms]CR[ms] WL[926.449];B[ks]CR[ks] BL[740.225];W[mq]CR[mq] WL[921.094];B[es]CR[es] BL[728.305];W[cs]CR[cs] WL[918.898];B[af]CR[af] BL[657.059];W[na]CR[na] WL[884.619];B[oa]CR[oa] BL[654.778];W[ma]CR[ma] WL[882.229];B[ob]CR[ob] BL[645.277] ;W[im]CR[im] WL[853.09];B[il]CR[il] BL[641.812];W[lp]CR[lp] WL[844.807];B[is]CR[is] BL[621.231];W[ke]CR[ke] WL[810.055];B[fj]CR[fj] BL[598.733];W[ej]CR[ej] WL[807.241];B[ek]CR[ek] BL[597.344];W[dk]CR[dk] WL[800.856];B[el]CR[el] BL[595.461] ;W[dl]CR[dl] WL[795.812];B[gl]CR[gl] BL[567.162];W[fl]CR[fl] WL[790.957];B[km]CR[km] BL[551.372];W[ah]CR[ah] WL[720.973];B[ef]CR[ef] BL[506.621];W[ed]CR[ed] WL[717.812];B[gj]CR[gj] BL[496.616];W[em]CR[em] WL[706.673];B[ad]CR[ad] BL[479.438] ;W[ac]CR[ac] WL[703.526];B[ae]CR[ae] BL[478.322];W[cp]CR[cp] WL[696.769];B[or]CR[or] BL[431.877];W[ns]CR[ns] WL[693.436];B[tt]BL[431.877];W[tt]TB[ss][js][hs][gs][fs][sr][rr][qr][jr][hr][gr][sq][fq][rp][sn][rn][qn][sm][rm][qm][sl][ql][ol][ll][jl][sk][pk][ok][nk][mk][sj][rj][pj][oj][nj][mj][si][ri][qi][mi][sh][rh][qh][ph][oh][nh][lh][sg][rg][ng][lg][fg][dg][cg][sf][qf][pf][nf][cf][se][re][qe][pe][oe][ne][sd][rd][qd][od][nd][sc][rc][pc][oc][sb][rb][qb][pb][sa][ra][qa][pa] TW[bs][as][mr][br][ar][bq][aq][op][np][ap][no][mo][ao][fn][en][bn][an][dm][cm][bm][am][el][cl][bl][al][ek][ck][bk][ak][dj][cj][aj][bi][if][jd][id][hd][gd][kc][jc][hc][gc][dc][jb][ib][hb][gb][fb][eb][db][cb][bb][ab][la][ka][ja][ia][ha][ga][fa][ea][da][ca][ba][aa] WL[693.436]) (;B[ih];W[hh];B[hg];W[jg];B[hi];W[gi];B[gh];W[jh];B[ji] ;W[ki];B[ii];W[kj];B[gc];W[kg];B[ib] C[I doubt White can kill Black's center stones.] )) (;W[gg];B[ed] (;W[ec];B[de];W[fd];B[ee];W[fe];B[cd];W[dc];B[cc];W[cb] ;B[bd];W[bb];B[cg] C[Seem like Black can survive somehow.] ) (;W[ee];B[de];W[fd];B[cd];W[dc];B[cc] C[Black is good.] ))) (;W[ee] C[E15 tries taking vital point.] ;B[gg];W[hh];B[fh];W[ei];B[gc] C[G17 makes a battle nearby so can win one of them.] ;W[ff];B[gf];W[fg] ;B[fe];W[ef];B[ed];W[de];B[ib] (;W[gh];B[ec] C[I guess Black can play a sabaki maneuvre this way to get some benefit.] ) (;W[hb];B[hc] (;W[jc]) (;W[jb];B[id];W[jc];B[jd];W[gb];B[kb];W[ia];B[ec];W[he] ;B[hd];W[ge];B[fd])))) (;W[dh];B[bh];W[cg];B[bg];W[cf];B[ce];W[dg];B[de];W[bf] ;B[cc];W[cd];B[bd];W[dc];B[cb];W[bb];B[gc];W[fd];B[fe];W[ge] ;B[db];W[eb];B[he];W[gf];B[ff];W[gb];B[hf];W[gg];B[if];W[hd] ;B[je];W[id] C[Here is one way White does better.] ;B[hh];W[hg];B[ih])) (;B[bg];W[ai];B[ah] C[This ko seems enough for black.] )) (;B[bo];W[er];B[fr];W[cr] (;B[ar];W[aq];B[br];W[bs] C[Seem White's okay this way.] ) (;B[es];W[ar];B[bs];W[ds] C[Seem White alive now.] ))) (;B[bp];W[bq];B[bo] C[B5: whatever happens in the corner, this hurts the White moyo.] ;W[er];B[fr] C[F2: Now it is hard to find life for White.] (;W[dr];B[br] (;W[ar];B[bs] (;W[cs];B[es]) (;W[es];B[cs])) (;W[bs];B[ar];W[aq];B[es];W[ds];B[cr] C[W is dead this way.] )) (;W[dq] C[ION: The only move.] (;B[aq];W[ar];B[bs] C[ION: C2 is the only move for white now and it leads to a ko.] (;W[ap];B[cs] (;W[ds];B[cr];W[eq];B[br] C[W is dead this way.] ) (;W[es];B[eq];W[cr];B[fs];W[dr];B[br] C[Mort.] )) (;W[cs] C[ION: Wrong.] ;B[cr];W[ds];B[br];W[ap];B[eq] C[W is dead here.] ) (;W[cr] C[ION: This leads to a ko.] CR[cr] ;B[es]CR[es] ;W[ds]CR[ds] ;B[fs]CR[fs] ;W[eq]CR[eq] ;B[cs] C[This ko.] CR[cs] )) (;B[eq]CR[eq] ;W[es] C[A famous ko shape.] CR[es] ;B[cs]CR[cs] ;W[bs]CR[bs] ;B[br]CR[br] (;W[ar]CR[ar] ;B[as] C[ko] CR[as] ) (;W[cr]CR[cr] ;B[as]CR[as] ;W[ds] C[ko] CR[ds] ))) (;W[cr] C[C2: White tries to make two rooms immediately. ION: This shape is dead. C2 is better at D3.] (;B[aq] C[ION: Bad move! D3 is killing not this one] ;W[ar];B[bs] C[White D3 now leads to a ko.] (;W[dq] (;B[ds];W[es];B[cs] (;W[eq] C[This is a seki. (Black should have gotton a ko instead.)] ) (;W[ap];B[eq];W[dr];B[ao];W[aq] C[Also seki.] ;B[hr] C[This way turned into a seki.] )) (;B[es]CR[es] ;W[ds]CR[ds] ;B[fs]CR[fs] ;W[eq]CR[eq] ;B[cs] C[ION: Here is the ko.] CR[cs] )) (;W[cs];B[dq];W[dr];B[es] C[One eye only here.] )) (;B[dq]CR[dq] ;W[dr]CR[dr] ;B[aq]CR[aq] ;W[ar]CR[ar] ;B[bs] C[ION: The order is very important.] CR[bs] )))) (;W[ml];B[nk];W[jd] C[White is faster and tries to use all stones.] )) (;B[df];W[mn];B[fd] C[Black can use the ladder-aji to take advantage in the upper left.] )) (;B[pp])) (;W[qo];B[nq];W[qk] C[This is the natural sequence.] )) (;B[qo];W[qn];B[qp];W[pm];B[op];W[qi];B[qg] C[Black is satisfied with this natural flow. White has a weak spot in his position that Black may aim at later.] TR[ql] ))