(; GM[1]FF[4]VW[]AP[Many Faces of Go:11.0] SZ[19] HA[0] ST[0] PB[pala] PW[goddess] DT[2002-08-17] PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/] KM[5.5] RU[Japanese] C[goddess white pala black Lesson 117 Game A 8/17/02] CA[UTF-8];B[pd]CR[pd] ;W[dp]CR[dp] ;B[qp]CR[qp] ;W[dd]CR[dd] ;B[fc] C[pala [-\]: biggest] CR[fc] ;W[oq]CR[oq] ;B[lp] C[pala [-\]: this move is good for defending pala [-\]: any better choice in this case? goddess [-\]: p6 to later attack m4? (b...) pala [-\]: yes] CR[lp] (;W[np]CR[np] ;B[po] C[pala [-\]: yes, make base] CR[po] ;W[qr]CR[qr] ;B[fq] C[ pala [-\]: this is good for defense pala [-\]: d6 is better in this case (c) pala [-\]: b did so aggressive pala [-\]: any strong move for w? goddess [-\]: well I thought about jumping in goddess [-\]: like at j3 (b) goddess [-\]: maybe k3 is better goddess [-\]: it would be a double pincer goddess [-\]: it was my first thought pala [-\]: yes pala [-\]: double pincer goddess [-\]: I almost did it] CR[fq] (;W[cn]CR[cn] ;B[cf] C[pala [-\]: yes, move out] CR[cf] ;W[ee]CR[ee] ;B[cj] C[goddess [-\]: this corner I messed up for sure pala [-\]: how is this move?? goddess [-\]: that move has to be bad pala [-\]: attach to a weak stone pala [-\]: any better move locally? goddess [-\]: g15 pala [-\]: run? need? goddess [-\]: don't really need to goddess [-\]: I guess d18 goddess [-\]: is a mvoe that does not contact either goddess [-\]: weak stone goddess [-\]: this situation always confuses me pala [-\]: c17? (b...) pala [-\]: it makes base goddess [-\]: yeah sure pala [-\]: doesn't attach any weak stone goddess [-\]: I guess I should realize that since black didn't \ take it I should] CR[cj] (;W[ce]CR[ce] ;B[df] C[pala [-\]: helped b pala [-\]: w corner is still weak pala [-\]: and hard to defend goddess [-\]: now I realize how bad c15 is pala [-\]: it is ok pala [-\]: but...] CR[df] ;W[dc] C[pala [-\]: b can do this (b...)] CR[dc] (;B[hd] C[pala [-\]: good defense goddess [-\]: thanks pala [-\]: but w spent many moves here goddess [-\]: I didn't want to be cut goddess [-\]: yeah too many goddess [-\]: then I get boxed in] CR[hd] ;W[be]CR[be] ;B[gf] C[pala [-\]: a big area move pala [-\]: any better choice? goddess [-\]: can white still get out? goddess [-\]: and should I? pala [-\]: no need to get out goddess [-\]: top is big pala [-\]: no, right side is big pala [-\]: any better move? goddess [-\]: then r14 pala [-\]: wrong goddess [-\]: or even r8 goddess [-\]: to pincer the two stones pala [-\]: close to weak stones pala [-\]: on 4th line, since b is a 4th line weak group (b...)] CR[gf] (;W[qi]CR[qi] ;B[qk] C[pala [-\]: easy for w, also easy for b] CR[qk] ;W[qf]CR[qf] ;B[re] C[pala [-\]: necessary] CR[re] ;W[rf]CR[rf] ;B[md] C[pala [-\]: great invasion, double pincer] CR[md] ;W[iq]CR[iq] ;B[hp] C[goddess [-\]: thanks pala [-\]: yes, must get out] CR[hp] ;W[ip]CR[ip] ;B[io] C[pala [-\]: useful forcing move] CR[io] ;W[hq]CR[hq] ;B[gp] C[pala [-\]: strong move] CR[gp] ;W[jo]CR[jo] ;B[jp] C[goddess [-\]: thanks pala [-\]: passive? goddess [-\]: yeah pala [-\]: any better way? goddess [-\]: maybe h5 pala [-\]: no pala [-\]: hard to fight with outside group pala [-\]: where is most weak stone for b? goddess [-\]: k4 pala [-\]: fight with weak stone pala [-\]: yes pala [-\]: so? goddess [-\]: L4 (b...)] TR[jp] (;W[jq]CR[jq] ;B[kp] C[pala [-\]: good defense] CR[kp] ;W[lr]CR[lr] ;B[jn]CR[jn] ;W[mq] C[pala [-\]: b is very thick outside] CR[mq] ;B[ko] C[pala [-\]: this is a great move! goddess [-\]: thanks pala [-\]: best way to reduce top] CR[ko] ;W[pc]CR[pc] ;B[oc] C[pala [-\]: this is the way to play if you can't save q17 stone pala [-\]: now what does w need? goddess [-\]: liberties goddess [-\]: so maybe r17 (b...) goddess [-\]: that was actually my first thought goddess [-\]: but since I was so weak in the area I thought I \ had to hane] TR[oc] (;W[qd]CR[qd] ;B[qc]CR[qc] ;W[pe]CR[pe] ;B[od]CR[od] ;W[rc]CR[rc] ;B[pb] C[pala [-\]: any faster move? pala [-\]: w got something pala [-\]: but not enough goddess [-\]: yeah goddess [-\]: s18? (b) pala [-\]: sure] CR[pb] (;W[rd]CR[rd] ;B[ri] C[pala [-\]: proper] CR[ri] ;W[rh]CR[rh] ;B[rj] C[pala [-\]: p11 is better (b)] CR[rj] (;W[oh]CR[oh] ;B[oj]CR[oj] ;W[mh]CR[mh] ;B[no] C[pala [-\]: slow? goddess [-\]: yeah goddess [-\]: and you get the corner pala [-\]: what should w have to? goddess [-\]: d3 is better (b) goddess [-\]: or d2 (c) pala [-\]: yes pala [-\]: corner and base] CR[no] (;W[cl]CR[cl] ;B[cq]CR[cq] ;W[dq]CR[dq] ;B[cp]CR[cp] ;W[co]CR[co] ;B[bo]CR[bo] ;W[bn]CR[bn] ;B[ao] C[pala [-\]: it is a wrong direction to squeeze goddess [-\]: right pala [-\]: d2 is wider open door goddess [-\]: well I figured it was sente pala [-\]: now, how to attack b corner? pala [-\]: a very common situation goddess [-\]: b2 pala [-\]: a life and death practice pala [-\]: is b2 eye point? goddess [-\]: no pala [-\]: if no, why do that? goddess [-\]: cause I thought that c2 would not work goddess [-\]: so I thought I had to go deeper pala [-\]: but d2 works (b...) goddess [-\]: oh] CR[ao] (;W[an]CR[an] ;B[bp] C[pala [-\]: could you attack again? goddess [-\]: well I did b2 so that is wrong goddess [-\]: so d2 (b...) goddess [-\]: room will be even smaller] CR[bp] (;W[br]CR[br] ;B[cr] C[pala [-\]: no pala [-\]: forget outside cover first goddess [-\]: well I didn't realize at the time about the outside pala [-\]: w must d2, seal black in, then begin life and death \ problem] CR[cr] ;W[aq]CR[aq] ;B[dr] C[pala [-\]: nice defense] CR[dr] ;W[en]CR[en] ;B[gn] C[pala [-\]: fast move!] CR[gn] ;W[fl]CR[fl] ;B[bf] C[pala [-\]: necessary? pala [-\]: even though it is nice goddess [-\]: well I was afraid you would say it was unneccesary pala [-\]: just be nice can't win the game goddess [-\]: I know goddess [-\]: but I did not see if it was or not neccesary goddess [-\]: but I get a lot of complements on my shape :-) pala [-\]: need to get big move pala [-\]: take big move? (b) goddess [-\]: yes pala [-\]: ok] CR[bf] (;W[bc]CR[bc] ;B[fg] C[pala [-\]: it isn't useful goddess [-\]: I hallucinated] CR[fg] ;W[ef]CR[ef] ;B[eg] C[pala [-\]: too deep? pala [-\]: too close to b thickness goddess [-\]: well I considered n8 even goddess [-\]: but decided it was way too deep pala [-\]: this is proper (b...)] CR[eg] (;W[ll]CR[ll] ;B[li]CR[li] ;W[jl]CR[jl] ;B[hl] C[pala [-\]: slow move pala [-\]: w got a weak group here pala [-\]: any better way to run? goddess [-\]: k10 but it has peeps See (b...)] CR[hl] (;W[ik] C[pala [-\]: there is no way to run pala [-\]: also lacks eye shape] CR[ik] ;B[hk]CR[hk] ;W[ij]CR[ij] ;B[fk]CR[fk] ;W[ek]CR[ek] ;B[ej]CR[ej] ;W[gk] C[pala [-\]: no way to link up] CR[gk] ;B[fj] C[pala [-\]: L10 is better (b) goddess [-\]: okay pala [-\]: make eye shape when there is no way to run out] CR[fj] (;W[ih]CR[ih] ;B[lh] C[pala [-\]: good trying] CR[lh] ;W[nj]CR[nj] ;B[mj]CR[mj] ;W[nk] C[pala [-\]: but can't connect] CR[nk] ;B[ni]CR[ni] ;W[oi]CR[oi] ;B[nh]CR[nh] ;W[pk]CR[pk] ;B[pj]CR[pj] ;W[ok]CR[ok] ;B[qj] C[goddess [-\]: I figured if I could not connect maybe I could find \ an eye there pala [-\]: useful pala [-\]: good plan] CR[qj] ;W[on]CR[on] ;B[oo]CR[oo] ;W[nn]CR[nn] ;B[qm]CR[qm] ;W[ng]CR[ng] ;B[mi] C[pala [-\]: this is heavy goddess [-\]: right pala [-\]: no time to save all stones pala [-\]: still L10 (b)] CR[mi] (;W[mg]CR[mg] ;B[lg] C[pala [-\]: not really useful pala [-\]: must help center group first goddess [-\]: right] CR[lg] ;W[lf]CR[lf] ;B[jg] C[pala [-\]: finally!] CR[jg] ;W[kj] C[goddess [-\]: yep pala [-\]: BUT M14 is not useful] TR[lf] CR[kj] ;B[mf] C[pala [-\]: good forcing move] CR[mf] ;W[nf]CR[nf] ;B[me] C[pala [-\]: is this move really need? goddess [-\]: well it seemed that so many stones had trouble that \ to play in the middle might help goddess [-\]: there is a cut goddess [-\]: two actually goddess [-\]: and an atari pala [-\]: but r11 isn't important or big goddess [-\]: true goddess [-\]: nor s12 for that matter] TR[rh][qi] CR[me] ;W[pg]CR[pg] ) (;W[kj])) (;W[kj])) (;W[kj]CR[kj] ;B[ki]CR[ki] ;W[ji]CR[ji] ;B[jh]CR[jh] ;W[ii] C[goddess [-\]: ah pala [-\]: run and make eye shape goddess [-\]: yes] CR[ii] )) (;W[lj]CR[lj] ;B[mk]CR[mk] ;W[lk]CR[lk] ;B[ml] C[goddess [-\]: yes much better pala [-\]: b doesn't have big potential here pala [-\]: next move? goddess [-\]: k16 pala [-\]: yes pala [-\]: top side is really big goddess [-\]: right] CR[ml] )) (;W[jd]CR[jd] )) (;W[dr] C[pala [-\]: yes] CR[dr] ;B[cr] C[pala [-\]: then? goddess [-\]: a3 goddess [-\]: eye point] CR[cr] ;W[aq] C[pala [-\]: yes! goddess [-\]: :-) pala [-\]: thing is changed] CR[aq] ;B[ar] C[pala [-\]: b will try to split two rooms goddess [-\]: I guess b2] CR[ar] ;W[br] C[pala [-\]: yes pala [-\]: if b b2, two rooms for sure] CR[br] ;B[bs]CR[bs] ;W[as] C[pala [-\]: Ko, also goddess [-\]: yes] CR[as] )) (;W[dr]CR[dr] ;B[cr] C[pala [-\]: sente pala [-\]: even though it isn't that deep pala [-\]: next? goddess [-\]: still no eye point pala [-\]: right goddess [-\]: so it must be squeeze from an open door goddess [-\]: at least as the first try goddess [-\]: c1?] CR[cr] ;W[cs]CR[cs] ;B[bs] C[goddess [-\]: then a2 goddess [-\]: eye point pala [-\]: yes, that is eye point] CR[bs] ;W[ar]CR[ar] ;B[aq]CR[aq] ;W[bq] C[pala [-\]: b tries to make two rooms pala [-\]: w b3 to destroy it] CR[bq] ;B[bp] C[pala [-\]: b still tries] CR[bp] ;W[ap] C[pala [-\]: a ko goddess [-\]: hmmmm goddess [-\]: okay so must use a ko rather than kill directly pala [-\]: there is no way to kill directly] CR[ap] )) (;W[dq]) (;W[dr])) (;W[oi])) (;W[rb])) (;W[qc] C[pala [-\]: yes, w needs liberty and eye space] CR[qc] ;B[qd] C[pala [-\]: then? goddess [-\]: s17] CR[qd] ;W[rc] C[pala [-\]: yes, sente] CR[rc] ;B[rd] C[goddess [-\]: then p18 of course goddess [-\]: oh goddess [-\]: maybe o17 is something] CR[rd] ;W[ob]CR[ob] ;B[nc]CR[nc] ;W[qb] C[pala [-\]: two eyes goddess [-\]: great pala [-\]: big destroy] CR[qb] )) (;W[kp]CR[kp] ;B[jq] C[goddess [-\]: but I thought I would lose that race pala [-\]: really? pala [-\]: take a look again goddess [-\]: okay hold on goddess [-\]: okay goddess [-\]: I see if I L3 goddess [-\]: then I get to connect goddess [-\]: and I have three liberties goddess [-\]: and black has two goddess [-\]: but it is black's turn goddess [-\]: I see it now] CR[jq] ;W[kq]CR[kq] ;B[jr]CR[jr] ;W[kr]CR[kr] ;B[ko] C[goddess [-\]: right] CR[ko] ;W[jn] C[pala [-\]: b has two goddess [-\]: yeah pala [-\]: all white has 3 goddess [-\]: right pala [-\]: w wins] CR[jn] )) (;W[pk]CR[pk] ;B[on]CR[on] ;W[qg] C[goddess [-\]: right pala [-\]: now w controls right side] CR[qg] )) (;B[be]CR[be] ;W[bd]CR[bd] ;B[de]CR[de] ;W[cd]CR[cd] ;B[ed] C[goddess [-\]: right goddess [-\]: and I get cut pala [-\]: b has connection problem] CR[ed] )) (;W[cc]CR[cc] ;B[ic] C[pala [-\]: then? goddess [-\]: then e17 does not contact a weak stone goddess [-\]: and makes b overconcentrated if he stands up pala [-\]: no pala [-\]: e17 isn't really useful goddess [-\]: okay goddess [-\]: well moving out isn't necessary but maybe good to \ prevent a big black center goddess [-\]: ah pala [-\]: moves out, makes base, time to be aggressive (a) goddess [-\]: attack pala [-\]: yes] CR[ic] ;W[ch]CR[ch] )) (;W[iq]) (;W[dn])) (;W[on]CR[on] ;B[qm]CR[qm] ;W[jp] C[pala [-\]: p6 is good for attack pala [-\]: ok goddess [-\]: okay] CR[jp] ))