(; GM[1]FF[4]VW[]AP[Many Faces of Go:11.0] SZ[19] HA[0] ST[0] PB[pala] PW[goddess] DT[2002-07-27] PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/] KM[5.5] RU[Japanese] C[goddess white pala black Lesson 116 7/27/02] CA[UTF-8];B[qd] C[goddess [-\]: btw are you familiar with the "die or live" software?] CR[qd] ;W[dp]CR[dp] ;B[pq] C[pala [-\]: no] CR[pq] ;W[dd] C[pala [-\]: didn't hear it] CR[dd] ;B[oc] C[goddess [-\]: I am using it... it seems nice... I will send you \ the url... there is an demo version you might enjoy looking at] CR[oc] ;W[qo] C[pala [-\]: ok] CR[qo] ;B[pl] C[pala [-\]: proper] CR[pl] ;W[pn]CR[pn] ;B[qp] C[pala [-\]: good forcing] CR[qp] ;W[rp] C[pala [-\]: b did a slow move] CR[rp] ;B[po] C[pala [-\]: great forcing move] CR[po] ;W[oo]CR[oo] ;B[pp] C[pala [-\]: yes, w must defend the cutting ponts pala [-\]: r6 is ok, helps outside stones pala [-\]: any other choice? goddess [-\]: s6 but it leaves peeps (b...)] CR[pp] (;W[qn]CR[qn] ;B[rq] C[pala [-\]: best defense goddess [-\]: thanks pala [-\]: because p7 isn't a useful peep for b] TR[om] CR[rq] ;W[nn]CR[nn] ;B[cf] C[pala [-\]: yes, urgent point] CR[cf] ;W[nq]CR[nq] ;B[ro]CR[ro] ;W[rn] C[pala [-\]: this is painful for black pala [-\]: b insde group must get out first] CR[rn] ;B[sp] C[pala [-\]: nice pincer pala [-\]: best with d4 stone] TR[dp] CR[sp] ;W[cj]CR[cj] ;B[fd] C[pala [-\]: a proper way to get out pala [-\]: any better ? goddess [-\]: e15? pala [-\]: no, that is slack move goddess [-\]: e14 gets cut doesn't it? goddess [-\]: but that is okay? goddess [-\]: f15? goddess [-\]: to attack the c14 stone? See (b...)] CR[fd] (;W[df] C[pala [-\]: now b has useful forcing move] CR[df] ;B[dg]CR[dg] ;W[ef]CR[ef] ;B[ce] C[pala [-\]: proper defense] CR[ce] ;W[ed]CR[ed] ;B[cd] C[goddess [-\]: thanks pala [-\]: it isn't small pala [-\]: any better way to help w four stones? goddess [-\]: turn at e13? goddess [-\]: or come out at g14 goddess [-\]: puts pressure on black pala [-\]: f17 is urgent (b) goddess [-\]: more of an outside move instead of inside pala [-\]: yes pala [-\]: also damages b f16 stone goddess [-\]: also pressure on single stone] TR[fd] CR[cd] (;W[cc]CR[cc] ;B[bc] C[pala [-\]: w didn't have base] CR[bc] ;W[cb]CR[cb] ;B[bb] C[goddess [-\]: right pala [-\]: too soon? goddess [-\]: I thought get out first and then make a base goddess [-\]: is f17 still better? (b) pala [-\]: yes goddess [-\]: I realized later that e13 made bad shape with c10 goddess [-\]: so I was sorry] CR[bb] (;W[eg] C[pala [-\]: helps b goddess [-\]: right] CR[eg] ;B[dh] C[pala [-\]: a nice defense goddess [-\]: thanks goddess [-\]: but was afraid of c8 anyway] CR[dh] ;W[dn] C[pala [-\]: b has to play here (b) goddess [-\]: ok pala [-\]: now, w is floading goddess [-\]: yes she is] CR[dn] (;B[hd] C[pala [-\]: yes, still important] CR[hd] ;W[fc]CR[fc] ;B[fe] C[pala [-\]: any better move locally? goddess [-\]: thought maybe h18 goddess [-\]: but thought you might say it was too submissive pala [-\]: yes. h18 (b) pala [-\]: better way to move out goddess [-\]: oh okay then I was right pala [-\]: b isn't easy to stop it goddess [-\]: it was my first choice pala [-\]: now b can block at J17] TR[ic] CR[fe] (;W[hc]CR[hc] ;B[jd] C[goddess [-\]: right pala [-\]: now w can't play fast move pala [-\]: since H17 stone is short of liberty goddess [-\]: oh pala [-\]: b did slack pala [-\]: what is proper? goddess [-\]: j18? goddess [-\]: still opens the b bottom? pala [-\]: needs more liberty (b...) goddess [-\]: okay goddess [-\]: right] TR[hc] CR[jd] (;W[jb]CR[jb] ;B[ic] C[pala [-\]: correct answer pala [-\]: but white shape became thinner] CR[ic] ;W[hb]CR[hb] ;B[lc] C[pala [-\]: a big move! goddess [-\]: thanks pala [-\]: bottom is most open area goddess [-\]: I had a hard time deciding] CR[lc] ;W[jq]CR[jq] ;B[rl] C[pala [-\]: right side is big pala [-\]: but r10 isn't proper pala [-\]: it is gote pala [-\]: try again? See (b...)] CR[rl] (;W[qj]CR[qj] ;B[pj] C[pala [-\]: yes, correct move] CR[pj] ;W[pi]CR[pi] ;B[qi] C[pala [-\]: great forcing move goddess [-\]: thanks pala [-\]: the outside stone is more important in this case] TR[pi] CR[qi] ;W[oj]CR[oj] ;B[pk] C[goddess [-\]: right pala [-\]: it gives a small stone] CR[pk] ;W[qh]CR[qh] ;B[ri] C[pala [-\]: nice shape] CR[ri] ;W[oh]CR[oh] ;B[rj] C[pala [-\]: slow? goddess [-\]: well I was hoping to get a connection with the bottom \ somehow goddess [-\]: but I guess I don't need it pala [-\]: it just takes away a liberty on b, and b doesn't care \ about it goddess [-\]: okay good goddess [-\]: maybe n10 pala [-\]: better? (b) goddess [-\]: yes pala [-\]: or take biggest move first (c) goddess [-\]: is the lower left invadable still now goddess [-\]: with the move at e3 pala [-\]: no pala [-\]: e3 got the corner] CR[rj] (;W[ok]CR[ok] ;B[jo] C[pala [-\]: nice attack] CR[jo] ;W[jm]CR[jm] ;B[iq] C[pala [-\]: this is a slow move pala [-\]: any better way? goddess [-\]: just j4 then (b...) goddess [-\]: gotta separate] CR[iq] (;W[jp]CR[jp] ;B[ip] C[pala [-\]: it splits small stone] CR[ip] ;W[io]CR[io] ;B[er] C[pala [-\]: too aggressive goddess [-\]: okay pala [-\]: w has to defend the corner at d3 (b) goddess [-\]: alright] CR[er] (;W[gr]CR[gr] ;B[gq] C[pala [-\]: now, how to help g2 stone best? goddess [-\]: apparently not j2 goddess [-\]: cause that is what I did goddess [-\]: maybe f3 (b...)] CR[gq] (;W[ir]CR[ir] ;B[hr] C[pala [-\]: it connects but low] CR[hr] ;W[hs]CR[hs] ;B[hq] C[pala [-\]: ok pala [-\]: any better? goddess [-\]: well I was looking at f3 to see if it was something goddess [-\]: and I could not read it out pala [-\]: no pala [-\]: w has many cuttings pala [-\]: and short of liberty goddess [-\]: right pala [-\]: must defend pala [-\]: at L2? (b) goddess [-\]: sure pala [-\]: more useful] CR[hq] (;W[jr]CR[jr] ;B[fr] C[pala [-\]: it is important goddess [-\]: thanks pala [-\]: any better move for w? goddess [-\]: d2? pala [-\]: c2? (b) goddess [-\]: okay I did that eventually pala [-\]: be soft when b was strong] CR[fr] (;W[ho]CR[ho] ;B[gs] C[pala [-\]: yes, very nice goddess [-\]: fairly soon too :-)] CR[gs] ;W[cr]CR[cr] ;B[go]CR[go] ;W[gn]CR[gn] ;B[fn] C[pala [-\]: this is too soon pala [-\]: no big profit here goddess [-\]: okay See (b...)] CR[fn] (;W[gp]CR[gp] ;B[fp]CR[fp] ;W[fo] C[pala [-\]: w got a small profit] CR[fo] ;B[eo]CR[eo] ;W[go] C[pala [-\]: but it hurts w left side position] CR[go] ;B[ep]CR[ep] ;W[en] C[pala [-\]: d5 first is important pala [-\]: ok] CR[en] ;B[fm] C[pala [-\]: yes, so important goddess [-\]: thanks] CR[fm] ;W[do]CR[do] ;B[fk] C[pala [-\]: not useful goddess [-\]: yeah I found out pala [-\]: just do territory (b) goddess [-\]: right] CR[fk] (;W[eq]CR[eq] ;B[fq] C[pala [-\]: overplay goddess [-\]: right] CR[fq] ;W[es]CR[es] ;B[dr] C[pala [-\]: big overplay pala [-\]: now b can c3 to kill white goddess [-\]: woops goddess [-\]: right pala [-\]: must help c2 stone first (b...)] TR[cq] CR[dr] (;W[ds]CR[ds] ;B[dq] C[pala [-\]: ok pala [-\]: but w got nothing goddess [-\]: exactly] CR[dq] ;W[cq]CR[cq] ;B[cl] C[pala [-\]: yes, w needs connection] CR[cl] ;W[dl]CR[dl] ;B[dk] C[pala [-\]: slow? goddess [-\]: I thought you would disconnect me goddess [-\]: if I played c9 pala [-\]: b can c9 now (b...) pala [-\]: must cut here] CR[dk] (;W[cm]CR[cm] ;B[el] C[pala [-\]: now w is fine pala [-\]: b8 is good move] CR[el] ;W[bl]CR[bl] ;B[dm] C[goddess [-\]: thanks pala [-\]: connected] CR[dm] ;W[bk]CR[bk] ;B[dj] C[Comments made during game: ============================= goddess [-\]: Now I have to really think about what direction \ to take pala [-\]: ok goddess [-\]: this is such a hard part of the game for me pala [-\]: i see pala [-\]: no weakness goddess [-\]: right pala [-\]: almost endgame time goddess [-\]: and I have sente ============================= goddess [-\]: how about b12 now? (b) pala [-\]: a good forcing move pala [-\]: where is biggest area? goddess [-\]: it was my first choice goddess [-\]: here is where I hesitated I think pala [-\]: no fight, no weakness -- middle game is end pala [-\]: time to play endgame goddess [-\]: right goddess [-\]: which is why I played a sente move on the bottom pala [-\]: must figure out where is most valuable area goddess [-\]: but I guess the top right goddess [-\]: at q14 pala [-\]: p2 is a big move] CR[dj] (;W[or] C[goddess [-\]: obviously my move at r14 was a mistake] CR[or] ;B[pr] C[pala [-\]: this is too soon pala [-\]: because b will not play at q1] CR[pr] ;W[ps]CR[ps] ;B[qr] C[pala [-\]: where is big area? goddess [-\]: right top next to my q12 group? pala [-\]: w has territory in the center pala [-\]: protection (b) goddess [-\]: middle huh? pala [-\]: well, it is GO game goddess [-\]: okay so I should build the middle pala [-\]: usually center isn't big goddess [-\]: right you keep telling me that goddess [-\]: I am afraid to make "silly center moves" pala [-\]: but center is big when you have a almost-circle goddess [-\]: yes pala [-\]: this isn't that valuable pala [-\]: this is also center move goddess [-\]: right pala [-\]: but w has no any potential here goddess [-\]: exactly] CR[qr] (;W[gg]CR[gg] ;B[ni]CR[ni] ;W[oi]CR[oi] ;B[li] C[pala [-\]: nice defense goddess [-\]: thanks] CR[li] ;W[mk]CR[mk] ;B[lk] C[pala [-\]: lock the door? (b...) goddess [-\]: was afaid of forcing moves] CR[lk] (;W[ml]CR[ml] ;B[mj] C[pala [-\]: a big move! pala [-\]: 3rd line move! goddess [-\]: yeah goddess [-\]: but goddess [-\]: left a weakness goddess [-\]: I hated the peep =================================== At this point in the game there was a take back. I had played \ o10 thinking that there was a danger if black were to play o9. =================================== goddess [-\]: I thought if you played o9 goddess [-\]: that the stone at k5 would be a ladder breaker goddess [-\]: if I blocked at o10 goddess [-\]: I guess that was not important goddess [-\]: or I was wrong pala [-\]: w can just answer o8 pala [-\]: no one can split white here goddess [-\]: yeah now I see goddess [-\]: cause I can connect either way goddess [-\]: thanks] CR[mj] ;W[qf]CR[qf] ;B[pg] C[pala [-\]: what a great tesuji goddess [-\]: thanks pala [-\]: don't always answer when you meet a forcing move goddess [-\]: right] CR[pg] ;W[of]CR[of] ;B[qg] C[goddess [-\]: I was not too unhappy goddess [-\]: getting the outside strong] CR[qg] ;W[rg]CR[rg] ;B[rh] C[pala [-\]: now how to handle this? pala [-\]: r12 is small pala [-\]: but s13 isn't small goddess [-\]: oh okay goddess [-\]: so I should s14 then (b) pala [-\]: yes] TR[rg][qh] CR[rh] (;W[og]CR[og] ;B[rf]CR[rf] ;W[pf] C[pala [-\]: b got points] CR[pf] ;B[sg]CR[sg] ;W[lg]CR[lg] ;B[kg] C[pala [-\]: w shouldn't fight here pala [-\]: because b is stronger goddess [-\]: ok pala [-\]: b12 (b) pala [-\]: then m18...(c)] CR[kg] (;W[kh]CR[kh] ;B[lh]CR[lh] ;W[jh]CR[jh] ;B[kf]CR[kf] ;W[mg]CR[mg] ;B[jj] C[pala [-\]: no profit goddess [-\]: ok pala [-\]: hard to capture b goddess [-\]: right] CR[jj] ;W[ij]CR[ij] ;B[ik]CR[ik] ;W[ii] C[pala [-\]: b connected goddess [-\]: right pala [-\]: hurts w k7 stone goddess [-\]: yes] TR[jm] CR[ii] ;B[jl] C[pala [-\]: necessary pala [-\]: w ends with gote] CR[jl] ;W[km]CR[km] ;B[np] C[pala [-\]: must split it] CR[np] ;W[op] C[pala [-\]: a tricky move goddess [-\]: yeah] CR[op] ;B[lq] C[pala [-\]: yes, defends weakness] CR[lq] ;W[mp]CR[mp] ;B[ko] C[Comments made during game: ============================= goddess [-\]: I am reading pala [-\]: must ============================= goddess [-\]: here I had a hard time deciding goddess [-\]: my reading was not good enough pala [-\]: this is a tough situation pala [-\]: not easy to read pala [-\]: w must help k4 group now goddess [-\]: yeah I got a headache pala [-\]: best way to (a...) goddess [-\]: thanks goddess [-\]: yeah I saw it was in danger pala [-\]: because it also takes away liberty on b L5 group, helps \ w J5 group. goddess [-\]: right goddess [-\]: I thought of that too] TR[jo][ko] ;W[kp]CR[kp] ;B[lp] C[pala [-\]: must cut] CR[lp] ;W[lo]CR[lo] ;B[oq] C[In the game there was a take back here. I had played at o2. ====================================== pala [-\]: this isn't the only move pala [-\]: any better way to defend the double atari? goddess [-\]: n2 maybe? goddess [-\]: no goddess [-\]: I guess not goddess [-\]: n3 perhaps (b...) goddess [-\]: also takes away a liberty pala [-\]: yes pala [-\]: better] CR[oq] (;W[no]CR[no] ;B[nr]CR[nr] ;W[mr]CR[mr] ;B[os]CR[os] ;W[mq] C[pala [-\]: now b got the sente] CR[mq] ;B[ib] C[goddess [-\]: right] CR[ib] ;W[ia]CR[ia] ;B[jc] C[pala [-\]: it isn't need goddess [-\]: ok pala [-\]: F11 is better defense (b) goddess [-\]: okay goddess [-\]: yeah I was sorry about the middle goddess [-\]: you really punished me] CR[jc] (;W[gc]CR[gc] ;B[hf] C[pala [-\]: necessary] CR[hf] ;W[hg]CR[hg] ;B[ig] C[pala [-\]: slow? goddess [-\]: yeah pala [-\]: any better answer? goddess [-\]: g11 better? (b) pala [-\]: nice! goddess [-\]: thanks pala [-\]: no weakness at all goddess [-\]: great] CR[ig] (;W[ih]CR[ih] ;B[hh] C[pala [-\]: nice looking, but leaves new weakness pala [-\]: any better choice? goddess [-\]: how about g12 and net? (b...) goddess [-\]: does that work?] CR[hh] (;W[gi]CR[gi] ;B[fh] C[pala [-\]: a double peep pala [-\]: must read goddess [-\]: right goddess [-\]: I got flustered pala [-\]: w has chance to save center group See (b...)] CR[fh] (;W[fg]CR[fg] ;B[gh]CR[gh] ;W[gk]CR[gk] ;B[gl]CR[gl] ;W[ei]CR[ei] ;B[fi]CR[fi] ;W[di]CR[di] ;B[fj] C[goddess [-\]: I really messed up the middle pala [-\]: ok pala [-\]: thanks for the game pala [-\]: let's review? goddess [-\]: thanks goddess [-\]: yes please] CR[fj] ) (;W[gh]CR[gh] ;B[fg]CR[fg] ;W[ff]CR[ff] ;B[gf]CR[gf] ;W[if]CR[if] ;B[he] C[pala [-\]: next? goddess [-\]: k14] CR[he] ;W[jf]CR[jf] ;B[jg] C[pala [-\]: neat goddess [-\]: L15] CR[jg] ;W[ke]CR[ke] ;B[lf]CR[lf] ;W[le] C[goddess [-\]: and then net] CR[le] ;B[mf] C[goddess [-\]: net not even necessary goddess [-\]: just chase] CR[mf] ;W[me] C[pala [-\]: haha pala [-\]: a lot of fun in GO game goddess [-\]: oh yeah goddess [-\]: that is for sure pala [-\]: ok goddess [-\]: I had lots of fun today pala [-\]: you did better! goddess [-\]: even though you punished me at the end pala [-\]: yes, you can read goddess [-\]: I try pala [-\]: many thanks for the lesson! goddess [-\]: thank you pala [-\]: look forward to seeing you in three weeks goddess [-\]: three weeks from now goddess [-\]: and I will see you at the congress goddess [-\]: in one week goddess [-\]: it should be fun pala [-\]: of course see you in Chicago on Aug 7 goddess [-\]: yes goddess [-\]: great pala [-\]: i was change my plan, to meet John there :-) goddess [-\]: oh wonderful goddess [-\]: he will be so pleased goddess [-\]: right mitdahand? pala [-\]: ok. see you then. bye! goddess [-\]: thanks goddess [-\]: bye] CR[me] )) (;W[gh] C[goddess [-\]: right] CR[gh] ;B[hi]CR[hi] ;W[gj] C[pala [-\]: great! goddess [-\]: haha pala [-\]: it works pala [-\]: you can read goddess [-\]: I am getting better at this pala [-\]: just need to be careful goddess [-\]: yeah I read that one fast] CR[gj] )) (;W[gi]CR[gi] )) (;W[fi])) (;W[mq]CR[mq] ;B[nr]CR[nr] ;W[mr]CR[mr] ;B[os] C[goddess [-\]: thanks pala [-\]: now w ends with sente goddess [-\]: cool] CR[os] )) (;W[bh]) (;W[lb])) (;W[rf]CR[rf] ;B[ph]CR[ph] ;W[og] C[pala [-\]: w makes better shape outside goddess [-\]: okay goddess [-\]: thanks] CR[og] )) (;W[ll] C[pala [-\]: but w ends with sente goddess [-\]: okay goddess [-\]: I did not realize that m8 was sente goddess [-\]: I thought black would cut (b...) pala [-\]: b isn't weak, doesn't need forcing move] CR[ll] (;B[kk]CR[kk] ) (;B[ml]CR[ml] ;W[nl] C[pala [-\]: just eat it goddess [-\]: yeah goddess [-\]: I see now] CR[nl] ;B[mm]CR[mm] ;W[kk]CR[kk] ;B[lj]CR[lj] ;W[nm]CR[nm] ))) (;W[jj]CR[jj] )) (;W[bh])) (;W[ck]CR[ck] ;B[dm]CR[dm] ;W[cm] C[goddess [-\]: my reading is still bad... I am trying though] CR[cm] ;B[el]CR[el] ;W[bl] C[goddess [-\]: okay goddess [-\]: thanks pala [-\]: must try to save c10 stone] TR[cj] CR[bl] )) (;W[dq]CR[dq] ;B[ds] C[goddess [-\]: yes goddess [-\]: I was sorry I allowed the c10 stone to become weak] CR[ds] ;W[dk] C[pala [-\]: w lost something in the corner, but still ok] CR[dk] )) (;W[dk]CR[dk] )) (;W[fo]CR[fo] ;B[gp]CR[gp] ;W[gm]CR[gm] ;B[eo]CR[eo] ;W[do] C[pala [-\]: better play goddess [-\]: okay] CR[do] )) (;W[cr])) (;W[kr])) (;W[fq]CR[fq] ;B[fr] C[pala [-\]: then? goddess [-\]: h3] CR[fr] ;W[hq]CR[hq] ;B[gp] C[goddess [-\]: h4? pala [-\]: j2 goddess [-\]: ah pala [-\]: w just needs a connection] CR[gp] ;W[ir]CR[ir] ;B[hp]CR[hp] ;W[hr]CR[hr] ;B[ep]CR[ep] ;W[dq]CR[dq] ;B[eq]CR[eq] ;W[in] C[pala [-\]: much better goddess [-\]: yes] CR[in] )) (;W[dq])) (;W[ip]CR[ip] ;B[jp]CR[jp] ;W[hq]CR[hq] ;B[ir]CR[ir] ;W[jr] C[pala [-\]: severe play] CR[jr] )) (;W[nl]CR[nl] ) (;W[eq]CR[eq] )) (;W[qk]CR[qk] ;B[ql] C[pala [-\]: useful] CR[ql] ;W[pi] C[goddess [-\]: okay pala [-\]: it make destroy right side, also threaten b goddess [-\]: right] CR[pi] )) (;W[ic]CR[ic] ;B[id] C[goddess [-\]: nice pala [-\]: now w can play fast move again pala [-\]: slow, fast, slow, fast... goddess [-\]: yes] CR[id] ;W[kb]CR[kb] )) (;W[hb])) (;B[fc]CR[fc] )) (;W[fc])) (;W[fc]CR[fc] )) (;W[ce] C[pala [-\]: makes b heavier] CR[ce] ;B[df] C[pala [-\]: then get out? goddess [-\]: sure] CR[df] ;W[ee]CR[ee] ;B[de] C[goddess [-\]: :-) pala [-\]: if b do this.. goddess [-\]: seems I must connect at e16 goddess [-\]: why else try to get out? goddess [-\]: must make previous move useful, right?] CR[de] ;W[ed] C[pala [-\]: reasonable pala [-\]: right] CR[ed] ;B[cd]CR[cd] ;W[cc]CR[cc] ;B[be]CR[be] ;W[bd] C[pala [-\]: b is still heavy pala [-\]: ok goddess [-\]: okay thanks] CR[bd] )) (;W[rn]CR[rn] ;B[qm] C[pala [-\]: but the peep isn't that useful] CR[qm] ;W[qn] C[goddess [-\]: right pala [-\]: s6 helps more stones] CR[qn] ;B[rq]CR[rq] ;W[nn] C[pala [-\]: now b does't have chance to kill s3 stone pala [-\]: better? goddess [-\]: yes] CR[nn] ))