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GM[1]FF[4]VW[]AP[Many Faces of Go:11.0]
SZ[19]
HA[0]
ST[0]
PB[goddess]
PW[pala]
DT[2002-07-20]
PC[The Kiseido Go Server (KGS) at http://kgs.kiseido.com/]
KM[5.5]
RU[Japanese]
C[goddess	black
pala	white


lesson 115

Game B

7/20/02]
CA[UTF-8];B[qd]CR[qd]
;W[dp]CR[dp]
;B[pq]CR[pq]
;W[dc]CR[dc]
;B[ce]CR[ce]
;W[od]
C[pala [-\]: it is ok, but bit passive
pala [-\]: any better move locally?
goddess [-\]: I thought that maybe r5 was right
goddess [-\]: cause both approaches were normal
goddess [-\]: locally maybe p17 (b...)]
CR[od]

(;B[pf]CR[pf]
;W[qo]
C[pala [-\]: nice pincer, and extension, too.
goddess [-\]: yeah dual purpose]
CR[qo]
;B[ql]CR[ql]
;W[no]
C[pala [-\]: proper move to get out]
CR[no]
;B[mq]CR[mq]
;W[dg]
C[pala [-\]: yes!
pala [-\]: it is good for defense
pala [-\]: because?]
CR[dg]
;B[ef]CR[ef]
;W[fd]
C[pala [-\]: this isn't right
goddess [-\]: yeah
pala [-\]: w can escape at e13
goddess [-\]:  I can c17 for defense (b...)
goddess [-\]: I should have
goddess [-\]: I forgot the joseki
pala [-\]: yes, b can make base immediately at c17]
CR[fd]

(;B[di]CR[di]
;W[cm]
C[pala [-\]: b shape is thin -- four single setones
pala [-\]: stones
pala [-\]: any better way?
goddess [-\]: right
goddess [-\]: maybe e13 (b)
goddess [-\]: cause that unites two of the stones
pala [-\]: yes
pala [-\]: this is thick]
CR[cm]

(;B[cg]CR[cg]
;W[kq]
C[pala [-\]: a big gmove
goddess [-\]: thanks
pala [-\]: b can get out at M4 first (b)]
CR[kq]

(;B[fq]CR[fq]
;W[hq]
C[pala [-\]: yes, take away the corner
goddess [-\]: I thought about m4]
CR[hq]
;B[cq]CR[cq]
;W[dq]CR[dq]
;B[cp]CR[cp]
;W[dr]
C[pala [-\]: it is ok
pala [-\]: this is faster (b...)]
CR[dr]

(;B[co]CR[co]
;W[en]
C[pala [-\]: ok
pala [-\]: any faster?
goddess [-\]: c6?
pala [-\]: no
pala [-\]: even slower
goddess [-\]: does e5 do anything?

See (b...)]
CR[en]

(;B[bn]CR[bn]
;W[dj]
C[pala [-\]: correct answer]
CR[dj]
;B[ci]CR[ci]
;W[fj]
C[pala [-\]: slow?
pala [-\]: any bigger?
goddess [-\]: yeah
goddess [-\]: I was afraid you would say that
goddess [-\]: invade the top?
goddess [-\]: right
pala [-\]: yes (b)
pala [-\]: top side is most open area
pala [-\]: besides w p16 is weak -- w did tenuki there]
CR[fj]

(;B[fh]CR[fh]
;W[ph]
C[pala [-\]: ok
pala [-\]: helps weak stone]
CR[ph]
;B[qj]CR[qj]
;W[oi]
C[pala [-\]: b can't link up here
pala [-\]: any better way to help two?
goddess [-\]: I could not find it
pala [-\]: run? (b)
goddess [-\]: just run
goddess [-\]: yeah]
CR[oi]

(;B[qh]CR[qh]
;W[qg]CR[qg]
;B[pg]CR[pg]
;W[qi]CR[qi]
;B[rh]CR[rh]
;W[ri]
C[pala [-\]: got one
goddess [-\]: yeah but in trouble
pala [-\]: but hurts r10 group]
CR[ri]
;B[rg]CR[rg]
;W[pj]
C[goddess [-\]: hurts it a lot
pala [-\]: yes
pala [-\]: must run
goddess [-\]: now I can't run so fast]
CR[pj]
;B[ol]CR[ol]

;W[mi]
C[pala [-\]: attach to a weak stone though
pala [-\]: any better?
goddess [-\]: I did not think it was weak
goddess [-\]: keep running
goddess [-\]: n8 (b)
goddess [-\]: just go out
pala [-\]: yes]
CR[mi]

(;B[pn]CR[pn]
;W[pp]
C[pala [-\]: correct response]
CR[pp]
;B[qq]CR[qq]
;W[oq]
C[pala [-\]: severe cut!
goddess [-\]: thanks]
CR[oq]
;B[op]CR[op]
;W[np]CR[np]
;B[oo]CR[oo]
;W[nq]
C[pala [-\]: how is this move?
goddess [-\]: no point to it really
goddess [-\]: I would be better to n8 (b)
pala [-\]: yes]
CR[nq]

(;B[or]CR[or]
;W[nr]CR[nr]
;B[ps]CR[ps]
;W[qc]
C[pala [-\]: correct]
CR[qc]
;B[rc]CR[rc]
;W[rb]
C[pala [-\]: slow?
goddess [-\]: can I q17? (b...)]
CR[rb]

(;B[rd]CR[rd]
;W[pc]
C[pala [-\]: this isn't proper move on top side
goddess [-\]: L17 is better right?
pala [-\]: what is right?
pala [-\]: bit better
goddess [-\]: something must be even better
goddess [-\]: h17 threaten the two stones?
goddess [-\]: close to weak group?
pala [-\]: yes
pala [-\]: good idea
pala [-\]: at?
goddess [-\]: :-)
goddess [-\]: h17 I thought
goddess [-\]: that is not good?

See (b...)]
CR[pc]

(;B[jc]
C[pala [-\]: w makes nice shape]
CR[jc]
;W[lc]
C[pala [-\]: attach to weak stone?
pala [-\]: proper (b)
goddess [-\]: yeah]
CR[lc]

(;B[gc]CR[gc]
;W[fc]CR[fc]
;B[gd]CR[gd]
;W[fe]
C[pala [-\]: nice!]
CR[fe]
;B[hf]CR[hf]
;W[cd]CR[cd]
;B[be]CR[be]
;W[bc]
C[pala [-\]: now where is big move?
goddess [-\]: reduction
goddess [-\]: k11
goddess [-\]: or k10
goddess [-\]: or even jump out to reduce at n8

See (b...)]
CR[bc]

(;B[kf]CR[kf]
;W[gg]
C[pala [-\]: don't try to split strong group
pala [-\]: J12 is more useful (b)]
CR[gg]

(;B[ff]CR[ff]
;W[ge]CR[ge]
;B[he]CR[he]
;W[gf]
C[pala [-\]: good defense locally, but slow move on whole board]
CR[gf]
;B[gb]CR[gb]
;W[gh]
C[pala [-\]: slow]
CR[gh]
;B[ih]CR[ih]
;W[ii]
C[pala [-\]: solid but slow
pala [-\]: must reduce w?
goddess [-\]: ok
pala [-\]: at?
goddess [-\]: well I can hane if I want to respond to this
goddess [-\]: but tha tdoes not reduce much
goddess [-\]: so do I tenuki and o6?
pala [-\]: k11 ok? (b)
goddess [-\]: yes]
CR[ii]

(;B[jh]CR[jh]
;W[kj]
C[pala [-\]: must o6 first (b)]
CR[kj]

(;B[ml]CR[ml]
;W[on]CR[on]
;B[po]CR[po]
;W[pm]
C[pala [-\]: serious weakness]
CR[pm]
;B[qn]CR[qn]
;W[qm]
C[goddess [-\]: right
pala [-\]: no choice for b]
CR[qm]
;B[rn]CR[rn]
;W[om]CR[om]
;B[rm]CR[rm]

;W[pl]CR[pl]
;B[pk]CR[pk]
;W[ok]
C[pala [-\]: w center is huge]
CR[ok]
;B[qk]CR[qk]
;W[nl]CR[nl]
;B[bl]CR[bl]
;W[fi]CR[fi]
;B[eh]CR[eh]
;W[ej]CR[ej]
;B[cl]CR[cl]

;W[dl]
C[pala [-\]: any other choice there for b?
goddess [-\]: m18?
pala [-\]: slightly better
pala [-\]: possible? (b...)
goddess [-\]: okay]
CR[dl]

(;B[kb]
C[pala [-\]: thanks for the game]
CR[kb]
)
(;B[nc]CR[nc]
;W[md]
C[goddess [-\]: seem possible]
CR[md]
;B[lb]CR[lb]
;W[kb]CR[kb]
;B[mb]CR[mb]
;W[kc]CR[kc]
;B[nd]CR[nd]
;W[ne]CR[ne]
;B[jb]CR[jb]

;W[ka]CR[ka]
;B[oe]
C[pala [-\]: b might win this fight
goddess [-\]: big fight though

See (a...)

See (b...)]
CR[oe]

(;W[nf]
C[goddess [-\]: okay]
CR[nf]
;B[pd]CR[pd]
;W[oc]CR[oc]
;B[ob]
C[pala [-\]: b has more liberties]
CR[ob]
)
(;W[ob]
C[pala [-\]: now?
goddess [-\]: n15?]
CR[ob]
;B[me]CR[me]
;W[nf]
C[goddess [-\]: m15?
goddess [-\]: seems I have messed up]
CR[nf]
;B[mc]CR[mc]
;W[ld]CR[ld]
;B[le]CR[le]
;W[ma]CR[ma]
;B[kd]
C[pala [-\]: b wins
goddess [-\]: oh
pala [-\]: N17 is middle point
pala [-\]: ok
goddess [-\]: ok
pala [-\]: many thanks for the lesson]
CR[kd]
)))
(;B[nn]))
(;B[ji]CR[ji]
))
(;B[ih]))
(;B[nn]CR[nn]
;W[mn]CR[mn]
;B[lk]
C[pala [-\]: fixed weakness first
goddess [-\]: aha
pala [-\]: then, fast move to get out and split w
goddess [-\]: okay
pala [-\]: also reduce]
CR[lk]
))
(;B[hc]CR[hc]
))
(;B[mc]CR[mc]
;W[ne]
C[goddess [-\]: oh that weak group]
CR[ne]
;B[hc]CR[hc]
;W[fb]CR[fb]
;B[kd]
C[goddess [-\]: I was thinking of the other weak group
pala [-\]: good play?
goddess [-\]: yes
goddess [-\]: excellent
pala [-\]: w has more space on top left
pala [-\]: so, N17 first
goddess [-\]: yeah that is true]
CR[kd]
))
(;B[pc]CR[pc]
;W[qb]CR[qb]
;B[pd]
C[pala [-\]: yes
goddess [-\]: I should have done it]
CR[pd]
;W[rd]CR[rd]
;B[re]CR[re]
;W[sc]CR[sc]
;B[jd]
C[goddess [-\]: much better
pala [-\]: give up small corner
goddess [-\]: I considered q17]
CR[jd]
))
(;B[ml]))
(;B[ml]))
(;B[nl]CR[nl]
))
(;B[ld]CR[ld]
))
(;B[bm]
C[See (a...)

See (b...)]
CR[bm]

(;W[bl]
C[goddess [-\]: ah
goddess [-\]: okay]
CR[bl]
;B[bn]
C[pala [-\]: better]
CR[bn]
)
(;W[bn]
C[pala [-\]: if w here?
goddess [-\]: I think I have to c6]
CR[bn]
;B[cn]CR[cn]
;W[bl]
C[goddess [-\]: d7]
CR[bl]
;B[dm]CR[dm]
;W[cl]CR[cl]
;B[dn]
C[pala [-\]: yes
pala [-\]: got out and split w
goddess [-\]: :-)]
CR[dn]
)))
(;B[cn]CR[cn]
;W[dn]
C[goddess [-\]: ah]
CR[dn]
;B[do]
C[pala [-\]: b can also creat cutting points in w
goddess [-\]: yes]
CR[do]
))
(;B[lp]))
(;B[eg]CR[eg]
))
(;B[cc]
C[See (a...)

See (b...)]
CR[cc]

(;W[cb]
C[pala [-\]: then?
goddess [-\]: d16?
goddess [-\]: forcing]
CR[cb]
;B[dd]CR[dd]
;W[ec]
C[goddess [-\]: then b17
goddess [-\]: I will try to remember]
CR[ec]
;B[bc]
C[pala [-\]: yes, b is settled
pala [-\]: ok]
CR[bc]
)
(;W[dd]
C[pala [-\]: if w extends here?>
goddess [-\]: c16?]
CR[dd]
;B[cd]CR[cd]
;W[df]
C[goddess [-\]: cut]
CR[df]
;B[de]CR[de]
;W[ee]
C[goddess [-\]: and then extend from the e14 stone at f14]
CR[ee]
;B[ff]
C[pala [-\]: yes!
pala [-\]: help weak stone]
CR[ff]
;W[bf]CR[bf]
;B[cf]
C[goddess [-\]: that much I remembered from before]
CR[cf]
;W[cg]CR[cg]

;B[be]CR[be]
;W[hd]CR[hd]
;B[gi]CR[gi]
;W[dj]
C[goddess [-\]: we have done this one a few times
pala [-\]: a joseki
pala [-\]: ok]
CR[dj]
)))
(;B[oc]
C[pala [-\]: yes]
CR[oc]
;W[nc]CR[nc]
;B[pc]CR[pc]
;W[nd]CR[nd]
;B[qf]
C[pala [-\]: b gains locally
pala [-\]: this is a very common joseki
goddess [-\]: yes I know this one actually]
CR[qf]
))